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hey

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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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so we get letters

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we get posts

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and lately when we've talked about

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politics they've ragged on us

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but

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just the other day someone posted

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something in the forum saying that he

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really thinks he may stop listening to

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the power cast chris because

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he thinks we're anti-christian

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are we anti-christian

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not me i should tell everybody

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my first wife geneva

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at least one time anyway when she was

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young was a methodist so is her mother

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my ex-mother-in-law

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and we were married in a church

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so

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we've attended i've attended

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different

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well it doesn't mean you're

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you're pro uh christian uh as far as as

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i i go i mean everybody

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is uh entitled to

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have whatever beliefs they want my real

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uh birth family in california a lot of

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them are

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just rabid uh christians born again

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types

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as far as

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my

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personal preferences go besides the fact

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that christianity has probably

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been behind the murder of more people on

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this planet than any other thing besides

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greed

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i think it's a great thing um

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the message of christ is wonderful but

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it's uh it's all the christians and the

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you know the hypocrisy that goes along

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with that i have a problem with

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well the thing here is that

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we have that same problem i think with

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many religions where things are done

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evil things

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in the name of a religion

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even though i'm sure most people are

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perfectly ordinary perfectly nice

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they believe in good they like to do

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good things live a good life so it's not

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saying that

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you know i'm anti-christian or

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anti-anything

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just recognize the history and what

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things have been done in the name

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of a religion that might have perverted

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what's intended with that religion

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be it muslims or christians or whatever

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let's just leave it there

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now the other thing here is that

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somebody maintaining a very very

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emotional paragraph and a letter to me

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that he heard me constantly say

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that ufo abductees were crazy

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and that's why he

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stopped listening to the power cast

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now chris if i ever said that

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all abductees are crazy

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no

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you may have hinted that a few abduction

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researchers are crazy but i've never

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heard you do

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say

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that abductees are crazy

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well the point is here if somebody's

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crazy they're crazy

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let's just leave it to that but i think

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people who are

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abducted are probably traumatized

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especially if it happens over and over

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again that doesn't make them crazy it

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means

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we need to help them that's all reach

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out help them find out what's really

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going on are they being kidnapped by e.t

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are they

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being subjected to some other kind of

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experience let's find out obviously

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people who undergo that

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are going to have trouble but to say

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someone's crazy or all these people are

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crazy i never said that well yeah you've

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never even come close to saying that

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i've said a few times it's ironic that

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so many um abductees tend to be

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middle-aged women divorced suburban

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spend a lot of time at home watching

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daytime tv i've said that whether that

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makes them crazy or not i think i think

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they're the ones that may be delusional

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i think all agree that there is a

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percentage of these claims that are

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delusional in nature

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i don't think so much that they're crazy

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i just think they're bored

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well you know people need to do

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something i mean you know every week or

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two i get these

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posts on facebook in a timeline talking

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about

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star beings from zeta reticuli and of

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course i guess i'm having fun with him

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because every time i see this i post a

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response which is pretty well canned

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zeta reticuli is a binary star system

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they have not yet discovered exoplanets

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there but zeta 2

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appears to be orbited by

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a debris or dust

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ring so maybe these star beings are

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coming from dust

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or maybe they've already destroyed their

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planet because they couldn't

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decide who got dibs on earth's

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proctological uh potential

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ah you see we've heard people obsess

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over chris and whether or not he's

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grumpy and i'll just say that chris

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you know had a pretty rough year last

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year i think a lot of people would be

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screaming on mountain cops to undergo

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that kind of pain so no i don't think

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chris is grumpy but he does have an

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obsession with

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proctological matters

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which reminds me i'm getting ready to

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send eugene the

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contact in the desert a gonzo true

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believer adventure

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which

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i put together from snippets of video

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that i i took at last year's

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contact in the desert extravaganza

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and at one point i did pop that question

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to some graham hancock uh attendees who

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are standing in line waiting for hancock

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uh i said something to the effect of i

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came totally out of the blue you know

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we're talking about

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hancock's um

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disagreement with i think it was robert

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bevall or somebody they got into a

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little tizzy on

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stage during a panel discussion and i

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mentioned something i just came out of

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the blues

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with what do you think the

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the reasons

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what's the reason we are being visited

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by pro bono proctologists from other

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planets

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this woman

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how could you ask a question like that

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you know

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do you have issues

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i said do you need one of them and i

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said no something to the effect of no

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i'd rather you know pay for one that i

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could you know trust or

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but the one thing that whitley's fever

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said when he was on there that you know

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he used the term anal probe i think in

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in communion and out of all the things

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all the controversies that have been

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from his claims and in

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his books over the years that's the one

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thing that he has the most regrets uh

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around this is the term annual anal

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probe

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so uh no gene i don't have uh problems

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around that fact it's it's a good um

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it's like frat boy humor you know you

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always get a chuckle just like fart

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and um i don't know

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i just love the term

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it's a terence mckenna actually uh term

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uh proctologist from other planets

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you know we didn't ask them to come here

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and check our butts out i mean you know

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i'm not the one with the problem it's

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it's the aliens that have the problem

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i'm just pointing out the obvious here

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so uh

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don't rag on me too much there buddy man

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well i won't rag on you they rag on me

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all the time of course but you know i

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just put up with it because if you've

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been online

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for 25 30 years

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you get ragged on especially when you go

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through trials and tribulations then you

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especially get ragged on you know it's

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they say don't hit a person when they're

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down so if you're down they don't hit

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you they stomp on you

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relentlessly

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that's how it goes we don't want that

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it really doesn't help by the way we

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first the introduction now chapter one

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of this book

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and ray stanford and my dog sing chopin

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i'll tell you if chris had a dog that

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could sing

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imagine the money you'd make

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well or i'd sure get a lot of um

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well i know there is

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this recording out with a group called

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singing jingle bells you ever hear that

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around christmas time they used to play

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it where you have basically four dogs or

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five dogs

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pretending to sing it's well it's just

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very very good creative editing

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of course

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now my dog teddy bear makes a lot of

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crazy sounds sometimes but i don't think

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he's trying to talk to us

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because if he did

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you know i bring them on here and have

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an interview

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just i wonder what dogs think about the

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paranormal because they sense so many

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things that we can't

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i don't know where we started with the

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dogs but we're not going to the dogs

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we're going instead to talk to paul

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davids and he is just a fascinating guy

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he's one of these

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renaissance men

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who does a little bit of everything

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so he

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he makes films

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he's an artist in fact he has a site

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called paul david's portfolio

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it's just an extraordinary amount of

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material there

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and sometimes he makes dog spark

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yeah and he's also got forrest ackerman

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trying to communicate uh

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i don't know where that started but with

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paul thank you for joining us in the

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power cache i'm not going to say hey

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catch us up for six years what i am

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going to say is that there's a lot of

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stuff i want to talk about just looking

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at the letter you wrote me when i

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invited you on and the first thing that

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hit me is because we had him on recently

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grant cameron

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where he wrote a book about

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the clintons now we have to kind of

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skirt politics very gently here

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because what happens is

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that when you get too political

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people resent it they're very polarized

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i can talk about

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getting political i'm sure

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i do

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claim credit for the photo on the cover

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of grant cameron's book which is a

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beautiful photo of bill clinton and

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hillary clinton which i took in 2008

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well let's go through that putting up

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the information here obviously

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we've known for years that hillary

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clinton had some sort of interest in

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ufos probably triggered by her friend

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and

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colleague

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john podesta who was the ceo i guess of

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her presidential campaign he worked for

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the obama administration

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and bill clinton's administration

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but when you look at this

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is she really and truly

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interested in getting to the bottom of

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ufos or is it all about well i'll get

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some votes

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well that's a hard question answer i

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think the

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let's talk about grant cameron's book

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for a moment because i think it's uh

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it's really important i think it's

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called the clinton

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ufo storybook or something like that

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grant cameron has a fantastic

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website presidential ufo where he really

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goes into great detail on

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the ufo experiences what we know about

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them and what's been stated by

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presidents through the years

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and there's a lot to cover there because

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many of our presidents at one time or

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another in their uh careers

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have brushed up against this issue you

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know including gerald ford

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who was a congressman from michigan way

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before he was uh president back in the

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days when j alan heineck came up with

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the swamp gas explanation for what was

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going on with ufo sightings in michigan

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jerry ford didn't like that and he

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wanted answers but when he became

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president didn't seem like he cared much

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about getting answers anymore now ford

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as i recall was instrumental

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in setting up those congressional

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hearings though

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was he or were those before jerry

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well if you're talking about the

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robertson pattern no i'm talking about

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the content report

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1968

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a disaster they set up the condon report

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it came out i think in 69 project blue

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book gave up the ghosts use that as an

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excuse to shut down

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i agree with you i think ford obviously

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seems sincere about it and i was very

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young in those days but i was around and

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the swamp gas explanation it took a lot

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of years for heinek to live that down

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but i could see

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if anything else he was frustrated over

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what may have seemed like a cover-up at

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the time but this is the whole thing

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about congressional hearings though

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maybe we should talk about this briefly

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because we have people still demanding

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disclosure or investigations

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and that is

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for what 15 20 years before that major

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keyhole we're saying hearings hearings

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hearings we want to put nycap out of

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business from the mid 50s on we get the

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hearings congress will get to the bottom

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of the mystery we'll have disclosure

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whatever of course i think he was very

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naive about the workings of government

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and therefore when he got his hearings

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yeah he'd been pushing for this for all

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these years

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when he got these hearings

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it was a sign in report it was a

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whitewash that was it yeah yeah

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well

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you know going back to presidential ufo

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and uh with jerry ford and and uh jimmy

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carter

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of course had his ufo sighting which he

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talked about and he

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requested nasa reopen ufo investigations

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didn't happen

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uh

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didn't move the ball forward at all

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during the carter administration

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ronald reagan we know had a particular

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interest in ufos there were his two

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reported sightings that he talked about

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freely i think it was when he was

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governor of california

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uh one of the sightings from a private

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plane

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and he didn't hold back

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and he described the unearthly movements

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of this object so clearly he had the

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personal experience in it and also he

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was i think the first of the presidents

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to stand before the united nations

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general assembly

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and use the analogy

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about

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the status of mankind if

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we were threatened he said by some force

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from out there from some other world as

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to how it would unite the peoples of the

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world we'd all come together to oppose

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the common foe as has been used as a

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theme in

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you know independence day and other

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movies but but reagan said that in front

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of the un

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but he certainly didn't move the ball

567
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forward in terms of disclosure at all

568
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:46,159
we got nothing from george bush who was

569
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director of the cia before he became

570
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president

571
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uh i'm talking about george herbert

572
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walker bush

573
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:57,919
uh nothing from george w

574
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from bill clinton during his presidency

575
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it was interesting because

576
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uh

577
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first of all i i was involved at that

578
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time in providing bill clinton with ufo

579
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:12,960
information particularly about roswell

580
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:17,600
he became president i think was it 1992

581
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and he was elected in 92 and took office

582
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in 93 93 so our roswell movie we were

583
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filming in 93

584
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and it was broadcast by showtime in

585
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1994.

586
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:31,679
and that's when stephen schiff was

587
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starting his investigation about roswell

588
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,240
congressman schiff of new mexico using

589
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:40,799
um the government accounting agency as a

590
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vehicle for that after the pentagon had

591
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:46,320
been non-cooperative with him

592
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:51,840
and so um that was the year uh 94 of the

593
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:55,440
first mogul balloon report from uh uh

594
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,679
the the military for the pentagon

595
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:59,600
denying that there was anything

596
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,360
extraterrestrial about roswell and that

597
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:03,120
there was a saying there was a prosaic

598
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,720
explanation for it

599
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,960
of a secret balloon experiment called

600
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,880
mogul at that time

601
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,039
i didn't believe the report then

602
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:13,440
i don't believe the report now

603
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,280
i had information then i thought would

604
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:17,679
be of interest to bill clinton

605
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,080
and i found a way to get that

606
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information to him in the white house

607
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at that time i knew someone who'd been

608
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an intern in the white house first of

609
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:26,960
all bill clinton and i had had

610
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,200
correspondence before he was elected

611
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i have to backtrack and say he was a

612
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student of my father at georgetown

613
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university

614
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in my father was a professor of

615
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diplomatic history bill clinton was his

616
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student in 1968 i think that was bill

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clinton's senior year let's progress

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bill clinton and paul davids

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this is jacques valley you're listening

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to the power cast

720
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so paul davis you're telling us about

721
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,840
your

722
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,240
encounters with bill clinton a student

723
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,960
of your father you therefore exchanged

724
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:44,799
emails with him you knew him before he

725
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,840
became president so you sent this

726
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:49,200
material let me let me interrupt let me

727
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,159
know not emails no that was that was uh

728
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,399
that's right this is late 80s early 90s

729
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,399
we don't think about emails then we were

730
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,240
thinking about real letters

731
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:00,480
i sent him a letter of support when he

732
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,039
declared he was running for president

733
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,960
and he wrote me back a really nice

734
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,880
full-page letter this wasn't just

735
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:08,960
something that was uh dictated

736
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:10,799
so there was that connection and then

737
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:13,039
after the roswell movie came out and

738
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,720
after we had

739
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:16,559
what i considered the

740
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:19,120
the poke in the eye of that false mogul

741
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:20,480
balloon report

742
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,760
bill clinton made a statement in ireland

743
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:25,679
there was a kid who asked him did did

744
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:28,799
aliens really land in roswell

745
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:31,520
and bill clinton said he said as far as

746
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:32,720
i know

747
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,960
no no aliens ever did land in roswell he

748
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,120
said but if it did happen

749
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,679
the air force hasn't told me about it

750
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:43,440
and i would like to know

751
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,080
he said with a smile kind of a sense of

752
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:48,320
humor but i took him literally and when

753
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,960
i wrote to him then i said you know

754
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:53,039
mr president you said that you would

755
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:55,120
like to know here's what i've got on the

756
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,559
roswell case

757
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,399
and i sent him a whole bunch of stuff

758
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,559
including the roswell movie

759
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,880
the randall schmidt book ufo crash at

760
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:04,240
roswell

761
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:07,760
i had made some video tapes at that time

762
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:11,120
one called down in roswell which was all

763
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,000
of the press reports the news reports

764
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,399
through the years on the roswell case

765
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:19,440
sent him that i sent him a lecture tape

766
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:20,880
i did called

767
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,080
reply to the air force report on the

768
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:26,480
roswell incident where i tore apart the

769
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,440
report in every respect i could and also

770
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,520
i had been invited to be the guest

771
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lecturer for the

772
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50th anniversary of the white sands

773
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,080
missile range pioneers founders of

774
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,399
america's rocketry program and i think

775
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,559
that was in 1996

776
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,799
they invited me because they were in new

777
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,960
mexico and i had produced the roswell

778
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:50,880
movie for showtime

779
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,440
and i was pretty hard-hitting in that

780
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,840
presentation which was filmed in which i

781
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:58,080
talked about what i felt was the ufo uh

782
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:59,360
cover-up

783
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:00,240
and

784
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,919
as many facts as i could put on the

785
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,520
table that i felt i had learned about

786
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,360
that and my objections to the

787
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:07,200
withholding of the information

788
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,960
some of the people at that talk didn't

789
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,120
find it very popular you know there were

790
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,960
people there that didn't want this

791
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:14,640
talked about the way i had talked about

792
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,600
it but i did release a video tape has a

793
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,159
really long title uh it was called

794
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:22,640
golden age let's see was it golden

795
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,520
anniversary ufo briefing for the white

796
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:27,919
sands missile range pioneers

797
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:30,720
so if you search on the internet

798
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,520
somewhere you can find those vhs tapes

799
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:35,520
they're still around i sent all that to

800
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:36,720
bill clinton

801
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,960
also there was a photo then that came

802
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:41,039
out in one of the tabloids

803
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:44,720
that had our alien from the movie

804
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:47,840
roswell alongside bill clinton and i

805
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:50,000
thought that was kind of funny so this

806
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:53,679
package i know got to him in 1996

807
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,200
and i got a nice reply by priority mail

808
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,120
from the white house

809
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,600
thanking me for it and also thanking me

810
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:03,279
on behalf of hillary

811
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,200
but not referring in the letter to what

812
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:07,200
it was i had sent i mean he didn't say

813
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,799
you know thank

814
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,799
thank you for busting the roswell cover

815
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,799
up that wasn't the letter but it was a

816
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,120
thank you was it possibly a canned

817
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,600
letter then

818
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,600
uh you mean dictated and signed by

819
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:21,120
machine

820
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:22,799
whatever maybe it's already printed out

821
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,440
and they just simply run them and send

822
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:27,760
them in response to inquiries from

823
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,120
anybody

824
00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:31,600
no this was specific because

825
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:33,520
you know they don't usually reply by

826
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:36,159
priority mail from the white house and

827
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,000
you know it was personally addressed to

828
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,159
me and it was clearly responsive to the

829
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:42,320
materials i had sent so no those

830
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,080
materials got to him the other way we

831
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,240
know that got to them and this this is

832
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,000
really interesting to me

833
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:50,399
that when uh there was the with the

834
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:51,919
impeachment proceedings were going on

835
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,159
and the fbi at one point

836
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,080
went in to do an investigation of the

837
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,399
oval office and this was reported in the

838
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:00,720
news you can find this online it may

839
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:03,200
even be reported in grant cameron's

840
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:04,559
materials

841
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,320
that they found a book about churchill

842
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,159
sandwiched between two books

843
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:11,760
and one was

844
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,880
actually a phone sex book

845
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:17,120
that was from monica lewinsky and the

846
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,000
other was ufo crash at roswell

847
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:22,159
which i had sent to him

848
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,880
so

849
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,559
i think that's kind of an interesting

850
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,720
you know part of ufo history didn't get

851
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:28,799
us disclosure of course

852
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,600
but

853
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:31,279
we know that the clintons have been

854
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,640
talking about

855
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,039
ufos that bill clinton

856
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:38,080
asked webster hubble to look into it

857
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,679
maybe it was asking the wrong person in

858
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:41,360
the wrong place but when bill clinton

859
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:43,840
was president he was asking for answers

860
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,559
about that and the kennedy assassination

861
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,200
which he may never have gotten

862
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,120
then there were the lawrence rockefeller

863
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:53,120
meetings at the lawrence rockefeller

864
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:54,159
ranch

865
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,320
where bill was there with hillary

866
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:58,559
clinton and they were photographed there

867
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,360
and

868
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:00,799
she was holding a book about i think it

869
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,919
was by uh astronomer paul davies

870
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,360
i'm davids

871
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,760
he's paul davies

872
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:09,360
and that book was about life in outer

873
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:10,399
space

874
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,519
so

875
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,600
lawrence rockefeller had pressured them

876
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:15,440
about the

877
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,600
need for ufo disclosure

878
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,159
so there is this history it's a it's a

879
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:22,880
it's a good history a long history

880
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:24,120
then there's a

881
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:27,440
2008 chapter to it where the plot really

882
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:28,480
thickens

883
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:29,840
do we have time to talk about that

884
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,519
before the break or do we go on it we

885
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:33,840
have maybe three minutes left

886
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,840
well i'll give a lead in hey i love

887
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,279
cliffhangers

888
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:38,960
here's the cliffhanger

889
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:40,090
that there was a

890
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,840
[Music]

891
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,399
fundraiser for hillary clinton in the

892
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:46,240
hamptons in 2008 when she's running

893
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:47,919
against barack obama trying to get the

894
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:49,760
democratic nomination

895
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,559
and

896
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:52,640
through my wife we were personally

897
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,840
invited

898
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:55,120
to it

899
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:58,320
and at that time i had new information

900
00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:59,760
about roswell

901
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:02,240
that i wanted to get to former president

902
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,360
bill clinton

903
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:05,600
and that information

904
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:06,799
included

905
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:09,200
a sworn affidavit

906
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,399
from former lieutenant walter hout this

907
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:15,119
was an affidavit that was released after

908
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,240
his death

909
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:18,480
in which he absolutely certified that

910
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:21,440
there were alien bodies at roswell he'd

911
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:23,359
never conceded that before it had always

912
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,599
been there was a crash

913
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:28,000
we think it was extraterrestrial

914
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,159
but the word of the confirmation of the

915
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,560
bodies came after his death i had that

916
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,359
document blew it up large and i wanted

917
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:37,440
to take that to the president along with

918
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,359
the new book what was then the new book

919
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,919
witness to roswell that i'd written the

920
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,440
forward to for the first draft for the

921
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:45,280
first issuance of

922
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,720
first publication and also the roswell

923
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,240
legacy

924
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:52,800
by jesse marcel jr so i'll leave you at

925
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:55,520
the cliffhanger of uh what happened when

926
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,320
i got to the hamptons in the fundraiser

927
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,400
we've got another minute to answer that

928
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,480
question oh all right well go for

929
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,880
another minute or so and i'll so my

930
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,240
question was

931
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,240
in going to this fundraiser if i brought

932
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,720
these materials in an envelope

933
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,320
you know with it would be going through

934
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:14,000
metal detectors would people be

935
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,920
inspecting bags when we went onto the

936
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:17,359
grounds of this

937
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:18,880
private estate you know for the

938
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,440
fundraiser would anybody be looking at

939
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:24,000
what anybody brought in so i thought

940
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,280
maybe there's a good chance that this

941
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:27,200
would be confiscated from me you know at

942
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:28,240
the door

943
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:31,680
but no it wasn't it was a very relaxed

944
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:35,040
attitude you know um in situation nobody

945
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:36,320
was searched

946
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:39,599
um hillary well first bill gave an

947
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:42,079
introductory speech

948
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,520
and then hillary gave a speech

949
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:47,040
um

950
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,920
and

951
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,359
you know very much wanting the

952
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:51,440
nomination in 2008

953
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:54,079
and it was after her speech

954
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,440
when

955
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,040
everyone was swarming around hillary

956
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,839
clinton to talk to her

957
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,240
and poor lonely former president bill

958
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,480
clinton was alone on the back

959
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,400
yard porch there with the owner of the

960
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:08,640
house and nobody was talking to him

961
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,320
and that's when i stepped up to have a

962
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,240
conversation

963
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:14,240
oh boy

964
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:17,760
all right so let's just frame this now

965
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,960
you brought your ufo material in there

966
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,560
he's obviously aware of what you're

967
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,560
doing because you've sent him

968
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,720
something and he responded by priority

969
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:28,480
mail

970
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,680
okay

971
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:31,839
so this already is setting up something

972
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:33,040
to show

973
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:34,880
a lot of potential here and we're going

974
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:37,359
to explore that potential in just a few

975
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,040
moments we've got paul david's

976
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,520
renaissance man we're talking about

977
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:43,440
i guess a follow-up to our conversation

978
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:45,280
with grant cameron of a few weeks ago i

979
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:46,560
know we had a bit of a dust-up with

980
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,320
grant over a couple of things but we're

981
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,720
talking here about the clintons and ufos

982
00:36:56,370 --> 00:36:52,800
with gene and chris you're in the bear

983
00:36:56,380 --> 00:37:00,550
[Music]

984
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1091
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so in the previous episode or previously

1092
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on the power cast they always say

1093
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previously on

1094
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paul davids

1095
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is

1096
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and there's paul bill clinton almost

1097
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alone because they're all surrounding

1098
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hillary

1099
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because she's running against obama

1100
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:55,040
and now you talk to him and what happens

1101
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:58,480
well i stepped up to him and i uh i

1102
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,160
first reminded him that i was the son of

1103
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,960
dr jules david's his professor from

1104
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:06,640
georgetown university

1105
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and he remembers my father very

1106
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affectionately

1107
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and

1108
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:22,560
matter of fact there's a book that came

1109
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out recently

1110
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:25,440
and i was referring to witness to

1111
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:28,800
roswell by tom carrey and donald schmidt

1112
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,520
i said uh i wrote the introduction to

1113
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this book that came out recently and i

1114
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thought uh it was something that might

1115
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be of interest to you and i brought it

1116
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here for you along with some other you

1117
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,160
know related materials and i held up the

1118
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,800
brown envelope and he took it from me

1119
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,319
and he said oh let's see what you got

1120
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,319
here and he reached in

1121
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,640
and as he pulled out the book

1122
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,800
i was watching his expression that's

1123
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:54,400
what i wanted to see how is he going to

1124
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,920
react because

1125
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:57,680
the title of the book is witness to

1126
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:00,319
roswell and the subtitle is

1127
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:03,359
exposing the government's 60-year ufo

1128
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:04,400
cover-up

1129
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:05,920
all right

1130
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:09,200
so as he looked at it he broke into a

1131
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:10,560
smile

1132
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,880
like he enjoyed that i was giving him

1133
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,240
this and

1134
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,079
his words were and i think i'm quoting

1135
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,960
exactly he said oh he said you know i've

1136
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,040
always really been interested in this

1137
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:23,119
stuff he said i'm going to read this

1138
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:24,480
book

1139
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:27,680
and i explained to him uh also about

1140
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:30,880
walter uh hout's affidavit pointed it

1141
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:33,119
out because i had blown it up a large

1142
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,560
copy of it

1143
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:36,800
in there and about the other book so he

1144
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:38,960
took the materials from me

1145
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,400
uh we chatted for a while and i

1146
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,400
just had a chance to say hello to

1147
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:46,640
hillary and say you know i'm son of dr

1148
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,119
jules davids and you know it's great to

1149
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:51,760
see you here and she was very warm she

1150
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:54,240
said of course i remember dr davids

1151
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,960
so

1152
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,359
that was that and i wondered to myself

1153
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:59,440
what would their conversation have been

1154
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:00,720
like in the car when they're driving

1155
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,359
away bill clinton has this uh envelope

1156
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,960
and maybe hillary would say what's in

1157
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,200
that what's in there

1158
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:09,440
that maybe would that have precipitated

1159
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,160
a conversation about ufos i don't know

1160
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:14,240
you know obviously i don't know

1161
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,280
but

1162
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,520
i will say this

1163
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:20,160
that the fact that i kept giving him

1164
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,000
this material about ufos in no way uh

1165
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,240
affected or interfered in any negative

1166
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,800
way as far as i can see

1167
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:30,560
with the sort of the warmth of the

1168
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,680
relationship which um i mean i

1169
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:35,599
you know kind of felt like family

1170
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,720
because of the connection through my

1171
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,079
father and

1172
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,640
it was a couple years later i think when

1173
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,800
bill clinton's book called giving was

1174
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:43,920
published

1175
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:47,760
and he came to pasadena to do a book

1176
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:50,079
signing at romans

1177
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:52,880
and at that time my mother was living

1178
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,920
two blocks away from romans in a senior

1179
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:57,200
building

1180
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,839
and she wasn't feeling well that day

1181
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,839
so she didn't go and two of the women

1182
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:04,079
from her building went and they they saw

1183
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,920
bill clinton they said you know mrs

1184
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:07,760
davids lives near here and she wanted us

1185
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,040
to give

1186
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,280
you her regards

1187
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,960
because she wasn't feeling well you know

1188
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:14,720
she didn't come and he

1189
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,520
he he lit up and he said oh what mrs

1190
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:19,599
david's is two blocks away he said oh

1191
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,160
you know she has to come she has to come

1192
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,280
and he sent a driver to go to her

1193
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,920
building and pick up my mother and bring

1194
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:30,160
her to him at romans

1195
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:31,280
and

1196
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,440
so

1197
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:37,680
i i you know i always had a really warm

1198
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,200
and wonderful feeling about that that

1199
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,119
you know we always wonder how uptight

1200
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:43,760
are you know our presidents some of them

1201
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:45,760
i think have been pretty uptight about

1202
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,640
discussing ufos at all

1203
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:50,560
this has been my history with bill

1204
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,680
clinton and you know he was on

1205
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,760
the jimmy kimmel show

1206
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,240
was it a year ago i mean it was before

1207
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,960
barack obama came on and was asked about

1208
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:02,480
ufos

1209
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:04,079
and

1210
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,520
you know somebody asked me in another

1211
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,119
interview did i think that bill clinton

1212
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,760
told the truth that night on uh jimmy

1213
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,359
kimmel and i kind of regretted the

1214
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,520
answer i gave because i didn't have long

1215
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,119
left in the interview and i just said no

1216
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,359
you know i really don't think

1217
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,839
but he didn't tell an untruth i mean

1218
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,839
what what he did with jimmy kimmel was

1219
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:24,480
to say you know when i was president

1220
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,520
i requested that the military look into

1221
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:29,599
the roswell thing and look into all the

1222
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,760
papers on roswell

1223
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,839
the part that's that was inaccurate is

1224
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,920
he said so we got all the roswell papers

1225
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,520
and we got them and you know and i

1226
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:39,280
didn't see anything extraterrestrial

1227
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:40,960
about that right

1228
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,800
but they never got all the papers on

1229
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,119
roswell we know that we know from the

1230
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:47,920
gao investigation which announced that

1231
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:50,560
all the outgoing papers from roswell in

1232
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:54,000
1947 of that month uh and after were

1233
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:55,520
destroyed

1234
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,880
by someone without proper authorization

1235
00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:00,000
you know they were probably never

1236
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:01,839
destroyed they were probably ferreted

1237
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,480
away somewhere you know like at the end

1238
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,800
of uh the indiana jones movie that big

1239
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:07,920
warehouse

1240
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:15,359
that should be a new expression in the

1241
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,720
english language so no bill clinton

1242
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,160
was not shown

1243
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,160
through the

1244
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,040
that air force investigation then all

1245
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,520
the papers on roswell he was given the

1246
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:29,599
mogul balloon report just like all of us

1247
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:32,400
were so that's what he was told to then

1248
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:33,760
i don't know if he was told anything

1249
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:36,400
else privately although and this is

1250
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,359
important jesse marcel jr you know the

1251
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,440
son of jesse marcel who was at the

1252
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,440
debris field who was the fall guy for

1253
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:45,680
the cover-up sure we had him on twice on

1254
00:47:50,550 --> 00:47:48,160
the power cast okay he passed away

1255
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:50,560
recently his book the roswell legacy

1256
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:53,200
tells his story you know very very well

1257
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:56,400
jesse marcel jr told me and his children

1258
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:58,560
have reinforced this for me

1259
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,520
that during that mogul balloon

1260
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:03,839
investigation thing first of all

1261
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,480
that the investigators tried to coerce

1262
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,400
him to change his story

1263
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,480
his story didn't work with the story

1264
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:12,000
they wanted to issue and they tried to

1265
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:13,520
get him to change his testimony and he

1266
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:14,640
wouldn't do it

1267
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:16,720
and he said he also had the opportunity

1268
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:19,359
to have a a high level meeting in

1269
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,680
washington at that time

1270
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,760
with someone who

1271
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,400
he said sort of apologized for the

1272
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:28,480
cover-up and said look

1273
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,119
you know we know what happened and

1274
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,359
you know that confirming that the story

1275
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:35,920
about the extraterrestrial crash was in

1276
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:38,640
fact true for jesse marcel jr

1277
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,559
but that

1278
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,480
it was still under high levels of

1279
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:45,280
secrecy and couldn't be talked about and

1280
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,640
that was that

1281
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,160
he was working on the inside this

1282
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:50,160
official said to try to get it out i

1283
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:51,680
don't know if it was john podesta he met

1284
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,079
with this matter i don't know possible

1285
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:56,319
okay so with clinton you see i'm seeing

1286
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:57,119
here

1287
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,800
he's dismissing it pretty much now

1288
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:02,640
is he dismissing it because he believed

1289
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:03,920
what

1290
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,319
his people told him or he was told to

1291
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,920
say that that's a good question right

1292
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:09,440
there don't you think

1293
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:10,960
i don't think that he believed what his

1294
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:13,440
people told him i think he uh absolutely

1295
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:16,240
knows the truth uh you know on the jimmy

1296
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,680
kimmel show

1297
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,359
and i'm speculating now by the way that

1298
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,079
suspect that's my personal opinion

1299
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,000
uh i'm not putting words in anybody's

1300
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:26,480
mouth but on the jimmy kimmel show it

1301
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,920
was very interesting that after he

1302
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:29,200
talked about looking for the roswell

1303
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:32,960
papers he turned the conversation by

1304
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,839
making an analogy and he took the words

1305
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,680
right out of ronald reagan's mouth from

1306
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,119
the united nations

1307
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,119
exactly the same thing like this is

1308
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,359
their fallback thing to say

1309
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,280
and he said he said

1310
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,280
bill clinton said you know but the facts

1311
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,280
are we're discovering more and more

1312
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:52,160
worlds out there and more and more how

1313
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:55,680
vast this galaxy of ours is and other

1314
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,920
galaxies and he says and with those

1315
00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:59,359
discoveries

1316
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:02,079
the chances the odds of there being life

1317
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,720
on other worlds uh

1318
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,160
increases

1319
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,160
with those discoveries and he says i

1320
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,319
just hope if it happens

1321
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:12,640
you know that it won't turn out to be

1322
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,280
like independence day he said i because

1323
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,240
you can imagine how if there were

1324
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,480
uh some kind of you know threat from

1325
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,240
another world that maybe that's what it

1326
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,079
would take to bring all the peoples of

1327
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:26,160
the world together so we wouldn't have

1328
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,400
any more warfare among ourselves okay

1329
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,319
that's what bill clinton said on the

1330
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:32,640
jimmy kimmel show i think it was a good

1331
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,640
and appropriate thing to say

1332
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:36,240
he did sort of

1333
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:37,599
crib it

1334
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,480
from ronald reagan at the united nations

1335
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:42,319
but that's where he left it you know we

1336
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:43,440
haven't heard anything more from him

1337
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:46,720
since then now from hillary clinton and

1338
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,480
from john podesta

1339
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,319
we've certainly heard more we've heard

1340
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,480
that his greatest regret during his

1341
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:54,640
white house years was that they didn't

1342
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:56,720
make any progress on declassification of

1343
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:00,480
ufo files all right he's been explicit

1344
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:03,839
clearly it would be on his mind and his

1345
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:06,079
agenda to pursue that if he had the

1346
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,280
opportunity again and someone told me

1347
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,359
that hillary clinton was also on the

1348
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:13,280
jimmy kimmel show and was asked about

1349
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:16,160
ufos but i did not see that one so i

1350
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,920
don't know what was said well when she's

1351
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,160
been interviewed she says number one

1352
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,480
she's referring to them as uap

1353
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:24,800
which is the machine she corrects

1354
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,680
the acronym ufo and corrects it to uh

1355
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:28,800
uap

1356
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,040
right that's unidentified aerial

1357
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,599
phenomena is that what it is uav

1358
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,680
okay okay let's do our break now we'll

1359
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:37,599
figure out what's going on and what

1360
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,760
secretary clinton said we've got more

1361
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:42,079
with paul davids and gene and chris

1362
00:51:55,710 --> 00:51:54,870
thank you for listening to gcn

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1369
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,000
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1370
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1371
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:16,880
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1372
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:19,920
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1373
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,760
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1374
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and now

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00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,510
so there we go

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00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:27,520
secretary clinton appears on one or more

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00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:30,559
tv shows and in public presentations

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00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,680
says

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00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:33,440
if elected she's interested in getting

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00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,960
to the bottom of this but the question

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00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:36,720
you raise here is well her husband was

1426
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:39,040
in the white house for eight years

1427
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:41,680
how come he couldn't do it and or maybe

1428
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:44,240
he did and he can't say but assuming he

1429
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:45,520
didn't

1430
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:47,040
where does she think she's going to do

1431
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:48,240
better now

1432
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,880
well the fact that he didn't of course

1433
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,280
maybe see after they talked to lawrence

1434
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,280
rockefeller and there was some momentum

1435
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,760
on that the impeachment proceedings got

1436
00:55:02,950 --> 00:54:59,680
in the way so nothing was going to

1437
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,960
happen once there was that problem

1438
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:04,480
and so you know as far as what the

1439
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:07,359
future brings on this of course uh none

1440
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:09,760
of us knows i mean personally

1441
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:10,880
for me

1442
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:13,920
i would so like to have

1443
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,040
the declassification of the secrets that

1444
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,400
have been so tightly held

1445
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:22,079
and i

1446
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,280
so

1447
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,280
object to

1448
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:27,839
the official debunking

1449
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,400
that's been going on in this country and

1450
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:32,079
then throughout the world

1451
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,319
for decades going back to the days of

1452
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:36,480
donald kehoe that you mentioned donald

1453
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,359
kehoe was pilloried he wrote

1454
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:42,000
some wonderful books about the ufo

1455
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:43,680
cover-up and all the evidence at that

1456
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:44,559
time

1457
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,359
and there was an important show i forget

1458
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,680
whether it was a radio show or a tv show

1459
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:50,880
at that time

1460
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,760
about ufos and when he was a tv show

1461
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:56,079
okay he went he went off script they

1462
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:58,000
take the microphone off of him so the

1463
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,839
debunking the debunking and the

1464
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:03,040
malicious attacks

1465
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:06,160
people's reputations and the ridicule

1466
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:07,280
and the

1467
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:09,200
techniques used

1468
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,839
in the world of science to make this

1469
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:13,760
such a fringe topic

1470
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:17,280
that people are penalized who want to

1471
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:20,000
study it seriously and the difficulty in

1472
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,240
getting research grants if you're out

1473
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,960
there on those fringes in other words

1474
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:27,119
people with this interest

1475
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:29,839
have been put in a ghetto by the

1476
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:32,160
establishment now our listeners know the

1477
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:33,520
history of this let me just tell you

1478
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,640
briefly

1479
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,440
so in january 1958

1480
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,599
kehoe was a guest on a tv show called

1481
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:41,520
armstrong circle theater was a

1482
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:43,119
presentation called

1483
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,240
ufos the enigma of the skies

1484
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,319
and what happened here is they

1485
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:50,559
the producers asked kehoe and the other

1486
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,680
guests to

1487
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,839
present a full script

1488
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,200
of what they're going to say this is

1489
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:57,280
live television there was no seven

1490
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,880
second delay it wasn't

1491
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,200
uh delayed recording or anything it was

1492
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,880
live tv

1493
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:05,520
so of course they carefully vet what was

1494
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:07,839
said now kehoe complained in one of his

1495
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:09,040
books that

1496
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:12,160
the cbs producers kept censoring

1497
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,680
everything he wrote

1498
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:15,520
to the point where he got very very

1499
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,079
frustrated because he felt he wasn't

1500
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:20,559
able to deliver the kind of evidence he

1501
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,520
had

1502
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:23,200
so by show night

1503
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:26,640
he's frustrated so he starts reading the

1504
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:28,319
script and then stops and says i'm going

1505
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,160
to tell you something you've never heard

1506
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:32,480
before and he's about to

1507
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:35,440
say something so he gets censored then

1508
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:37,920
now the official cbs line and we do know

1509
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,160
that people from the air force were on

1510
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,799
hand the official line is well

1511
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,480
he was deviating from the script we

1512
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:46,319
didn't know what he was going to say

1513
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:48,960
and therefore we cut his mic

1514
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,160
which

1515
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,880
is a double triple edged sword because

1516
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:54,559
legitimately

1517
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:56,000
they have to do that they think

1518
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:58,400
something is going astray because the

1519
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:01,359
fcc could find cbs if somebody uses a

1520
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:02,880
nasty word or something you know they

1521
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:04,319
don't know what's going to happen

1522
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:05,119
so

1523
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:07,359
they're watching out for their behinds

1524
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:08,960
at the same token

1525
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,000
as kehoe suggested perhaps the air force

1526
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,640
was censoring everything that was said

1527
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:17,040
so no matter what happened he wouldn't

1528
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,359
be allowed to say what he wanted he did

1529
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:21,599
however issue kind of a half apology for

1530
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:22,640
doing it

1531
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:27,589
so there's the update well that

1532
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:29,760
summarizes what happened back then a

1533
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,280
long time ago and but the point is that

1534
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:35,280
attitude of censorship

1535
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,079
has been in effect for so many decades

1536
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,640
and now is it loosening up now

1537
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:42,400
i think the answer is as far as

1538
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:44,240
television is concerned

1539
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:45,599
definitely

1540
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:48,400
as far as motion pictures are concerned

1541
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:51,280
definitely i mean you have like a double

1542
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,240
standard or two different worlds uh now

1543
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:56,559
because on on television you have

1544
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:59,200
essentially a ufo disclosure we don't

1545
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:01,200
know if the information we're getting is

1546
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:02,799
accurate but

1547
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:05,599
just count the hundreds of documentaries

1548
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:06,960
and shows everything you know from

1549
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,559
ancient aliens

1550
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:10,799
every every possible conceivable kind of

1551
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,079
documentary

1552
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:14,160
uh that's out there on so many different

1553
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:15,359
channels

1554
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:17,920
and then most of the films are fiction

1555
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,319
that uh involve uh aliens but there have

1556
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:22,640
been several projects about roswell i

1557
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:24,960
think our ours the one i

1558
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,559
executive produced and co-wrote for

1559
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,720
showtime was the first you know

1560
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:31,200
full-length feature-length

1561
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:33,839
just devoted to the roswell incident

1562
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:36,799
uh but you know when you consider uh

1563
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:39,359
dark skies series

1564
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:41,440
the taken series

1565
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:42,960
i mean there have been a number of them

1566
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,000
that have had their roswell stories even

1567
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:48,559
with jessie marcel as a character

1568
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:49,599
so

1569
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,520
that's and that's just roswell i mean

1570
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:53,520
there have been things about betty and

1571
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:54,799
barney hill

1572
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:55,839
and

1573
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,680
the fire in the sky about the travis

1574
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,200
walton case

1575
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:01,440
uh the coverage on the phoenix lights

1576
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,480
case

1577
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,319
and now we have the james fox

1578
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:06,559
documentaries i'm a big fan of james

1579
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:09,440
fox's documentaries uh his his one

1580
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:12,079
called uh i know what i saw

1581
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,240
uh fabulous fabulous work where

1582
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,400
we're getting to see you know the

1583
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:20,799
testimony of the citizens hearings on

1584
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:22,000
ufos

1585
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:25,760
integrated into documentaries that um

1586
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:27,920
include things like uh the former

1587
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:29,839
governor of arizona

1588
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,520
what was you you know his name the one

1589
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:33,760
i'm talking about who who who reversed

1590
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,640
himself on the phoenix likes simonton by

1591
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:38,960
simmington who is a was a close friend

1592
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:40,160
of bill clinton

1593
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,240
as a matter of fact i think i even heard

1594
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:44,559
that one of them saved the life of the

1595
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:47,839
other when some drowning thing

1596
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:49,599
i don't know the details of it i know a

1597
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,040
little bit about it because remember

1598
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:53,520
simington was convicted of corruption

1599
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:55,200
and gone to jail

1600
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:57,520
but apparently he saved bill clinton's

1601
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:58,480
life

1602
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:01,520
so bill clinton pardoned him

1603
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,720
wow

1604
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:04,799
now you see that in arizona here in

1605
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:06,079
arizona

1606
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,480
we have a bad history with governors not

1607
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:11,200
as bad as illinois they've sent a few to

1608
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:13,920
jail but we've had a couple three that

1609
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:15,359
have done a few

1610
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:16,559
funky things

1611
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:18,559
now the thing about fife simonton that

1612
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:21,599
bothers me though i mean to his credit

1613
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:23,599
he admits fault he says

1614
01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:26,160
he was too flippant about ufos

1615
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:28,000
on the other hand

1616
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,440
maybe he felt

1617
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:31,920
it was more politically correct to come

1618
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:34,240
out and say you know i take it seriously

1619
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:35,839
i don't know

1620
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:38,640
you know he said more than i take it

1621
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:40,640
seriously

1622
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:44,000
the interview of him shows him saying i

1623
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:47,440
saw that craft and it wasn't from this

1624
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:49,680
earth it was from somewhere else

1625
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:50,960
couldn't have been made on earth i mean

1626
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,880
he went that far

1627
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:54,559
he went even further he actually took

1628
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:55,280
them

1629
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:57,359
on the path that he drove uh with the

1630
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:59,119
car to the park where he actually had

1631
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:01,119
the siding if i remember correctly and

1632
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:02,720
actually took him to the location where

1633
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:05,440
he he uh claims he was a witness of uh

1634
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:07,520
the large craft uh

1635
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:09,599
on what march 17th

1636
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:10,799
okay so

1637
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:13,839
i call this i call this progress i call

1638
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:16,000
this a lot of progress

1639
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,200
from

1640
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:19,440
where we were a couple of decades ago

1641
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:23,200
with everyone so uptight about it and

1642
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:25,119
back in the days of philip class the

1643
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:26,240
debunker

1644
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:28,559
when he would go to ufo meetings of

1645
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,559
mufon in order to object as though he

1646
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,480
was in a courtroom to stand and object

1647
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,319
to everything everybody was saying it

1648
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:37,200
was madness it was it was a nut it was

1649
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:38,319
madness

1650
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:39,280
but

1651
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:40,319
um

1652
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:43,520
now there is more openness by many

1653
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:44,480
people

1654
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:45,760
there isn't

1655
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:48,720
more openness in the military though

1656
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:50,640
which brings me to another great story i

1657
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:52,640
have to tell you about when my

1658
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:55,440
roswell alien from our movie

1659
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:56,559
almost

1660
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:58,400
went on display at wright-patterson air

1661
01:03:02,069 --> 01:03:00,319
force base should we take a break before

1662
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:02,079
that one well i'll tell you what let's

1663
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neighbors we're here in a position to

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talk about ufos

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putting political figures

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on the firing line but not really

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getting political paul davids

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hi gene

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01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:39,440
i have a lot of things i want to say too

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01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:42,159
and about chris brian while we have time

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01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,279
together there's one more story i want

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01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:45,520
to tell first i do want to mention i'm a

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01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:48,319
big fan of chris o'brien's books and his

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01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:50,000
uh you know his research on the cattle

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01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:51,759
mutilations chris and i have known each

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01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:53,759
other a long time my favorite chris

1809
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:55,920
o'brien book is is one about the grand

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01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:59,279
trickster and his uh theories about

1811
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:01,120
synchronicities because this is one of

1812
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:02,719
my favorite subjects so let's get into

1813
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:04,400
that a little later but i want to tell

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01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:07,759
you this incident with a new author

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01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:09,839
who worked at wright-patterson air force

1816
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:12,880
base as an engineer for his whole career

1817
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:15,679
his name is ray zamanski

1818
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:17,839
and he wrote a book called

1819
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:19,040
get this

1820
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:22,319
50 shades of grays

1821
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:24,400
greys as in aliens

1822
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:27,040
about uh you know were there aliens at

1823
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:29,199
wright patterson air force base

1824
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:32,400
before his book came out ray tried to

1825
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:33,600
arrange

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01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:34,960
for

1827
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:37,520
me to officially be invited

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to come and be a guest and

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to bring

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01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:43,759
the prop of the life-size

1831
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:46,319
alien that was alive in our roswell

1832
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:49,600
movie this alien now exists in a display

1833
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:52,319
case beside my desk in my home

1834
01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:54,080
yeah the one that used to carry around

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01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:56,960
in the trunk of your car yeah i was game

1836
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:58,719
for this and as a matter of fact i told

1837
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:01,360
ray zamanski you know i'd like to do a

1838
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:03,120
documentary about this i he said you

1839
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,960
don't need to fly me first of all how

1840
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,960
would the alien get there if you fly me

1841
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:08,880
i need to drive and i need to do a

1842
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:11,360
documentary about the cross-country trip

1843
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,239
from los angeles of the roswell alien

1844
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,560
back to wright-patterson air force base

1845
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:18,480
to pay his respects to his fallen

1846
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:21,760
brethren from the extraterrestrial crash

1847
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of 1947.

1848
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:25,360
i said can you imagine the great scenes

1849
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i'm driving along in my car with this

1850
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:28,880
alien beside me and if i'm speeding and

1851
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:31,360
a cop stops me you know this could has a

1852
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:34,480
lot of potential i said you know with a

1853
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:36,080
little tongue-in-cheek

1854
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:36,880
so

1855
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:39,040
they were ready to do it to have me

1856
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,280
there and have the alien they wanted it

1857
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,520
for the air force marathon

1858
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for air force families to be able to get

1859
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:48,080
their pictures taken with the alien from

1860
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the movie and then i said look if i'm

1861
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:52,960
doing this though i really want to be

1862
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:56,960
able to show the movie roswell

1863
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:59,679
to uh the air force people there while

1864
01:11:03,030 --> 01:11:01,520
i'm there you know we should combine it

1865
01:11:04,950 --> 01:11:03,040
should be a showing

1866
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:04,960
so they had to get official permission

1867
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,239
for this and this is where everything

1868
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:08,400
went wrong this is where it all fell

1869
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:09,360
apart

1870
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,480
when they

1871
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:12,719
made the request and ran it up the

1872
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:17,120
flagpole and we got shot down so hard

1873
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:19,280
you know i felt like i was slammed into

1874
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:21,920
the ground on this thing it went through

1875
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,920
the public relations department of the

1876
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:25,520
air force evidently they have a special

1877
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:27,199
division that deals with hollywood

1878
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:28,159
issues

1879
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:30,400
they all do even the cia and what they

1880
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:32,880
want to do of course is get somebody

1881
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:35,360
on the set to monitor what's going on

1882
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,880
and fix

1883
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:38,640
misperceptions because they want

1884
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:40,640
everything to look

1885
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:43,120
positive for the agencies so i'll give

1886
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:45,120
you another example of that in the case

1887
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,679
of independence day they wouldn't do it

1888
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:49,360
they refuse to let it happen right they

1889
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:50,719
refuse to let it happen on the other

1890
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:53,199
hand like a tv show like ncis which is

1891
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the most popular

1892
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:57,679
scripted drama in the world

1893
01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:00,000
they've got the real

1894
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naval criminal investigative service

1895
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:03,440
people on

1896
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:05,920
the set making sure that you know

1897
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:07,280
fundamentally

1898
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:09,040
the facts about investigations and

1899
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:10,320
things while certainly going to be

1900
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:13,040
exaggerated for a fictional show or at

1901
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:14,640
least in the spirit of what really

1902
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:15,840
happens

1903
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:18,080
they want to make themselves look good

1904
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:20,560
i can tell you from personal experience

1905
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:22,800
that i talked to robert wise the

1906
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:24,400
director of the day the earth stood

1907
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:25,360
still

1908
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:26,880
which i think that movie came out around

1909
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:31,120
1950 or 51 right 51. just a few years

1910
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:32,960
after roswell

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01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,159
and

1912
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:36,960
i met with him shortly after i had my

1913
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:40,320
daylight disc sighting in 1987. i think

1914
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:42,080
people know about that who know me it's

1915
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:44,000
been written up and that's what got me

1916
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:46,239
interested in ufos that i saw one in

1917
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:48,159
daylight near my house with my two

1918
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:49,040
children

1919
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:53,360
but i got to meet with robert wise and

1920
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:54,800
he told me

1921
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,040
first of all he was a believer

1922
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:59,520
and that while he was making that movie

1923
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:01,520
that uh you know that there had been

1924
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:03,920
some official people around on the set

1925
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:05,199
that there had been visitors from

1926
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:06,400
washington

1927
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:09,040
he mentioned a scientist

1928
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:10,640
it was an engineer

1929
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:11,760
and

1930
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,520
he was told at that time you know you

1931
01:13:17,669 --> 01:13:15,600
may think your movie is fiction but it's

1932
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:17,679
not nearly as much fiction as you may

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01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:19,280
assume

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so that happened behind the scenes

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back then as far as some kind of

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intervention with what's going on in

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hollywood and bobby graham you know has

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written about that he's written a

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wonderful book about ufos in hollywood i

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forget the exact name of it right now

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but it's i certainly recommend that book

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01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:38,000
and he he included uh some information

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01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:39,920
from me about the roswell movie because

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we had people show up when we were

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making the roswell movie oh then we were

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definitely being watched i think at that

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time we were being listened to

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there was a lot of funny stuff on the

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phones there were people showing up

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that you know wanted to be our good

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friends all of a sudden had information

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wanted to suck us into one thing or

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another and so we weren't doing it in a

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vacuum there's always that

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sense of things being

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watched by people who care about what

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may come out or what's said

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but going back to the right patterson

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air force almost visit by the alien

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they said no they were not going to

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allow the movie roswell

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ever to be shown at the wright-patterson

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air force base and not even at the hotel

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where the air force people were staying

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who were coming in for the marathon no

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no

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uh and the reason given was because our

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movie and they knew it

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they knew of it they said our movie

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contradicted an official air force

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report oh my god such an offense that

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01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:44,880
was our offense that we had an

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alternative point of view

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01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:47,920
so they weren't going to let that point

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of view be heard and this is

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i don't know what else i should say

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about that but that that happened but

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then in the meantime ray zamanski came

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out with his book fifty shades of grays

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and he reported to me recently that i

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think that they were letting him be a

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guest at the base and sell his book

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there so

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you know that's

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lightened up obviously somehow too i

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don't know what bit pressages

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but

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listen at some point i want to segue

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into what i've been doing more recently

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you said what have you been doing in the

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last six years

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and i

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do need to let this ties into

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chris o'brien's interest in

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synchronicities

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i do need to let people know about both

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my

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documentary film of 2013

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which was on sci-fi and then became a

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two-disc uh

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dvd it's called the life after death

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project

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and the information was so compelling

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the experiences the ongoing strangeness

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that i was experiencing that caused me

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to make that project

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which got a number of scientists

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including chemists

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there were three universities involved

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with scientists who researched what was

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happening after my mentor forrest j

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ackerman died

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01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:10,000
and there seemed to be

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messages coming through from him all

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kinds of anomalies after he died to say

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that he was still around in spirit so

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first there was the movie life after

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i published in april of this year the

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you know it's very easy to talk to paul

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davids you basically say go

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let him continue so okay

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forrest j ackerman he doesn't like being

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dead is what you're telling me paul

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no

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go back to when i was uh

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well first of all i think i was in fifth

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grade when the first issue of famous

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monsters of filmland magazine came out

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oh i remember it well

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and i would read every issue of course

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if you got caught with it in school they

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confiscated it right let me just say

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something real briefly before you go on

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okay

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in one issue of famous monsters and then

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continued for a few issues

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they said he was traveling around the

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country forest jay ackerman

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he come to your home for lunch

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yes

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my place in brooklyn i set it up

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as a recording studio and i recorded the

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entire thing and i got people who

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had

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entered the contest to come there

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like half a dozen people my age i

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probably was in my late teens at the

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time

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and he came over very gracious for a

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couple of hours i had recordings of

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everything unfortunately probably not

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anymore i have no idea where those

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recordings went this is like 25

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different moves

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since then oh no but i stayed in touch

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with him on and off for a number of

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years after that now paul david's tell

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your story that's all i have to say

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gene this is absolutely wonderful to

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took

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from los angeles his ultimate

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destination was washington dc with the

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world science fiction convention i think

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lived in the suburbs of washington as i

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georgetown

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i was a kid these were silent eight

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millimeter movies with

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dragons and dinosaurs and ghosts and

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whatever special effects i could come up

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with because i loved his magazine you

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know his sense of humor is just

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endearing man he had collected all of

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the stuff the props from all the the

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that he called the akker mansion

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opened his doors to the general public

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every saturday they could come in and

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bradbury who wrote martian chronicles

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many other things

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01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:28,400
he called the house

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01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:31,120
the fort knox of science fiction uh

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that's where the gold was

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01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:36,320
so when i met fari i went to the statler

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01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:39,440
hilton i was a young teenager and i told

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01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:41,920
him about these movies i had been making

2213
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:44,080
and his publisher james warren was there

2214
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:45,120
too

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01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:47,360
and they were so nice and he said oh he

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01:24:50,470 --> 01:24:48,880
said well tomorrow morning sunday

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01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:50,480
morning he said we're going to have a

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01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:52,159
little gathering here

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01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:54,239
for some of the monster fans and he says

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01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:55,920
if you have a projector for your movies

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01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,440
why don't you bring a projector bring

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01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:59,280
the movies we'll set up a screen and

2223
01:25:02,149 --> 01:25:01,280
let's all see them

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01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:02,159
so

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01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:04,639
that happened that's what i got to do

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01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:05,600
and

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01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:06,719
then

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01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:08,880
fari and james warren said well you got

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01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:10,719
to send us pictures of your monsters

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01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:12,159
your movies we'll put them in famous

2231
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:14,080
monsters magazine

2232
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:16,880
so there i was then in issue number 27

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01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:18,480
of famous monsters

2234
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,000
the great cover of

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01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:22,400
the cyclops from the seventh voyages and

2236
01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:23,679
on the cover

2237
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:25,280
and then i entered a movie making

2238
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:27,520
contest that fary had called

2239
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:28,880
you had to make a movie based on a

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01:25:32,229 --> 01:25:30,800
script he wrote called siegfried saves

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01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:32,239
metropolis

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01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:34,719
and i was an honorable mention winner in

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01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:37,360
the contest so more pictures in famous

2244
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:40,000
monsters issue number 35 i was in

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01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:42,400
seventh heaven you know this was

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01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:45,199
wonderful i wanted so much to go to los

2247
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:47,360
angeles to see fari's house

2248
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:50,800
to meet my idols like the great producer

2249
01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:52,400
george powell who did the war of the

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01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:54,800
worlds in the time machine i wanted to

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01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:57,199
meet ray harryhausen the great special

2252
01:26:01,350 --> 01:25:58,880
effects pioneer of course he lived in

2253
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:01,360
england eventually all of these dreams

2254
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:03,040
came true for me

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01:26:06,830 --> 01:26:06,000
after i finished undergraduate college

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01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:06,840
at

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01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:09,760
princeton i was accepted as to be a

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01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:11,760
student at the american film institute

2259
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:14,320
center for advanced film studies in

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01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:17,440
uh beverly hills in those days

2261
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:18,239
and

2262
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:20,880
while i was there i got to meet many of

2263
01:26:25,189 --> 01:26:23,920
my favorite writers and directors in

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01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:25,199
hollywood

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01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:27,520
including george powell

2266
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:30,560
uh i created a seminar for

2267
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:32,719
farri ackerman and george powell both

2268
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:35,199
there together talking about science

2269
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:38,480
fiction and films for the students

2270
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:41,360
and so my relationship with foreign

2271
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:43,920
ackermann continued

2272
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:46,000
through the decades i mean i wrote for

2273
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:48,719
his subsequent magazine monster land

2274
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:50,719
he wrote an introduction to my first

2275
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:53,040
book called the fires of pele mark

2276
01:26:57,669 --> 01:26:55,199
twain's legendary lost journal

2277
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:57,679
i dedicated one of the six star wars

2278
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:01,199
books i wrote to him i think it was

2279
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:03,040
i'm trying to remember which one uh it

2280
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:04,800
was either mission

2281
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:07,440
from mount yoda or queen of the empire

2282
01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:09,760
or prophets of the dark side i dedicated

2283
01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:13,280
to faryackerman so we were close

2284
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:16,400
and then in 2006

2285
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:18,480
universal released the film i made

2286
01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:20,960
called the sci-fi boys

2287
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:22,960
and you know apart from roswell this was

2288
01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:26,000
like a great moment for me i'd made a

2289
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:28,159
couple other films i made

2290
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:30,320
timothy leary's dead

2291
01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:32,480
i made starry night

2292
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:35,120
uh i made the artist the shaman and then

2293
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:37,360
came the sci-fi boys which was the

2294
01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:39,280
history of special effects in movies

2295
01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:42,480
from the earliest days willis o'brien's

2296
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:44,719
another o'brien there chris willis of

2297
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:46,880
ryan's silent movies

2298
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:48,800
all the way up through peter jackson's

2299
01:27:52,870 --> 01:27:49,920
king kong

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01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:52,880
and because my wife was

2301
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:55,600
the manager at that time of the premiere

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01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:57,360
for universal of

2303
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:00,639
peter jackson's king kong peter jackson

2304
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:03,600
agreed to be the host of my documentary

2305
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:06,560
and he knew and loved fari too everyone

2306
01:28:10,950 --> 01:28:08,480
loved fari who was making science

2307
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:10,960
fiction movies everyone

2308
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:13,760
and so this was an homage to fari's

2309
01:28:17,189 --> 01:28:15,760
place in science fiction history and how

2310
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:17,199
he'd influenced everybody that went on

2311
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:19,600
to make these great films including

2312
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:21,120
peter jackson

2313
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:23,840
and we had a premiere at the egyptian

2314
01:28:27,750 --> 01:28:26,000
theater in hollywood and fari said like

2315
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:27,760
it was the greatest night of his life i

2316
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:31,040
mean it was just overpowering

2317
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:32,239
and

2318
01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:33,840
after that

2319
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,600
fari and i would start to talk about

2320
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:37,920
things of deeper consequence we we were

2321
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:41,040
at comic-con together

2322
01:28:44,470 --> 01:28:42,639
and

2323
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:44,480
i said you know far i know you've been

2324
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:46,880
an atheist your whole life

2325
01:28:50,229 --> 01:28:48,880
he said i'm a card-carrying atheist

2326
01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:50,239
that's right he said i'm going to be an

2327
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:52,960
atheist until my last breath

2328
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:55,280
and i said did you ever think you know

2329
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:57,679
that you know maybe you're wrong maybe

2330
01:29:02,870 --> 01:28:59,760
there is an afterlife

2331
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:02,880
and he said paul i seriously doubt that

2332
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:06,000
i'm wrong i give it almost no chance he

2333
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:06,880
said

2334
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:08,480
but i'll tell you this

2335
01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:11,520
make a deal with you he said if uh

2336
01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:14,320
if i wake up after i pass away to some

2337
01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:16,480
great science fiction convention in the

2338
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:18,560
sky

2339
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:21,040
uh he said well i'll be partying around

2340
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:22,480
for a long time you know with bella

2341
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:24,719
lugosia and boris karloff

2342
01:29:29,350 --> 01:29:27,600
no he wore bella lugosi's dracula ring

2343
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:29,360
when he visited us

2344
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:31,760
and made public appearances

2345
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,120
and he had the cape

2346
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:35,360
he had the dracula cape and he so he

2347
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,280
said he said but when the party dies

2348
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:38,880
down he says

2349
01:29:43,750 --> 01:29:41,280
maybe i'll drop you a line right with a

2350
01:29:44,950 --> 01:29:43,760
little wink right thought nothing more

2351
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:44,960
of it

2352
01:29:49,470 --> 01:29:48,239
but here's when my big life change

2353
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:49,480
happened

2354
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:52,560
2009 a couple months after he died

2355
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:54,800
we held a huge tribute for him every

2356
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:57,360
seat filled at the same egyptian theater

2357
01:30:00,070 --> 01:29:59,199
in hollywood

2358
01:30:01,270 --> 01:30:00,080
where

2359
01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:01,280
we had

2360
01:30:07,030 --> 01:30:02,880
the

2361
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:08,709
and

2362
01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:09,920
it was

2363
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:13,120
that day of that tribute when the weird

2364
01:30:17,590 --> 01:30:15,360
stuff started to happen and it didn't

2365
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:17,600
first start happening to me

2366
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:19,920
it happened first to two canadians who'd

2367
01:30:25,510 --> 01:30:22,320
made a film about fari who happened to

2368
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:25,520
go to forest lawn glendale and rap on

2369
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:26,880
his crypt

2370
01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:29,520
before the tribute and go rap rap rap hi

2371
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:31,360
fari you know we're here we've come from

2372
01:30:35,110 --> 01:30:33,040
canada we're gonna show our movie about

2373
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:35,120
you tonight we miss you so much and

2374
01:30:38,470 --> 01:30:36,480
we're going to break there and we're

2375
01:30:40,629 --> 01:30:38,480
going to find out what that wrapping

2376
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:40,639
wrapping on my chamber door was all

2377
01:30:44,390 --> 01:30:42,400
about

2378
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:44,400
with gene and chris you're in the

2379
01:30:48,330 --> 01:30:52,970
[Music]

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hello this is rosemary ellen guiley and

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you're listening to the paracast the

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01:35:21,910 --> 01:35:13,350
gold standard of paranormal radio

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01:35:25,910 --> 01:35:24,390
so easy to talk to paul davids because

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01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:25,920
he does the whole show himself we don't

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01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:28,080
need any help here i'm just coming i'm

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01:35:31,110 --> 01:35:29,280
sorry

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01:35:33,110 --> 01:35:31,120
you you gave me a platform and i'm just

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01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:33,120
running away with it and i i'll finish

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01:35:36,550 --> 01:35:34,880
telling you the lead-in about all this

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01:35:38,550 --> 01:35:36,560
stuff that happened with fari and then

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01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:38,560
then then i want to invite your

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01:35:43,750 --> 01:35:40,480
participation and not hog the show like

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01:35:45,590 --> 01:35:43,760
i have been here but you know what began

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to happen well first of all the

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01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:48,159
canadians they said they heard from fari

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01:35:51,189 --> 01:35:50,320
within an hour of wrapping on his crib

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01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:51,199
they

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01:35:58,229 --> 01:35:55,679
staying at and mike mcdonald was

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01:36:00,310 --> 01:35:58,239
trying to blog something and a capture

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01:36:02,310 --> 01:36:00,320
code comes up where you have to write

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01:36:04,229 --> 01:36:02,320
the letters and the numbers the little

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01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:04,239
squiggly things you know so that they

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01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:06,719
know you're not spamming facebook

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01:36:11,830 --> 01:36:09,040
and the captcha code that came up was

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01:36:14,229 --> 01:36:11,840
ackerman00

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01:36:16,390 --> 01:36:14,239
and he practically dropped on the floor

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01:36:18,790 --> 01:36:16,400
when he saw that you know the name was

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01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:18,800
spelled right he'd gone rap rap rap on

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01:36:21,270 --> 01:36:19,840
the crypt

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01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:21,280
and the two of them

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01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:23,199
said you know

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01:36:26,229 --> 01:36:25,360
is he saying hello you know is he really

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01:36:28,870 --> 01:36:26,239
dead

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01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:28,880
at that moment the other canadian

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01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:31,679
filmmaker ian johnston says that his

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01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:34,560
computer that was asleep at the time

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01:36:39,910 --> 01:36:36,719
burst out with a childlike voice that

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01:36:42,310 --> 01:36:39,920
said oh my gosh no way

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01:36:43,910 --> 01:36:42,320
now crazy he said what my computer

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01:36:46,709 --> 01:36:43,920
shouldn't have been talking to me he

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01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:46,719
discovers that that voice is from an

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01:36:52,229 --> 01:36:49,600
animated emoticon on youtube a little

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01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:52,239
smiley guy he says oh my gosh no way and

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01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:53,679
he rolls over

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01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:56,320
but he was not locked on you know to the

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01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:57,760
internet at the time the computer was

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01:37:03,750 --> 01:36:59,360
asleep it shouldn't have been talking to

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01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:03,760
him this was weird weird weird

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01:37:08,629 --> 01:37:06,400
and then within a week

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01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:08,639
it happened to me the weirdest thing

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01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:10,960
that's ever happened to me in my life

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01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:13,600
and it was the ink obliteration on a

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01:37:18,790 --> 01:37:16,320
document i had i'll try and make a long

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01:37:21,669 --> 01:37:18,800
story real short here and just say i had

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01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:21,679
a document i was going over i was alone

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01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:22,960
in the house

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01:37:28,229 --> 01:37:25,360
no one else there doors are locked i

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01:37:30,310 --> 01:37:28,239
knew the document was ordinary i was out

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01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:30,320
of the room for five minutes and when i

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01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:32,000
came back in the document had been

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01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:32,960
changed

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01:37:36,709 --> 01:37:35,040
the document now had

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01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:36,719
four words

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blacked out neatly and precisely with

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01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:41,440
ink

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or maybe it was dye i didn't know what

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01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:44,560
it was at that time but it was still

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01:37:48,310 --> 01:37:46,080
moist

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01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:48,320
and i felt like i was in the presence of

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01:37:52,629 --> 01:37:49,600
a ghost

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01:37:54,070 --> 01:37:52,639
and i guarded that as evidence

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01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:54,080
within

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01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:56,960
six weeks i think it was i was

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01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:58,320
with the

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01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:00,239
head of the chemistry department of

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01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:02,400
indiana university

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01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:05,119
as he was beginning experimentation on

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01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:07,520
the inc obliteration

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01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:09,840
and then he involved

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01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:11,600
the college of new jersey and dr john

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01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:14,159
allison this is all in our and first

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01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:16,080
it's in the movie the life after death

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01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:17,440
project

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01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:19,360
which you can easily find the dvd or

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01:38:22,149 --> 01:38:20,800
stream it online

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01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:22,159
and then

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01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:25,119
our new book an atheist in heaven

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01:38:29,189 --> 01:38:26,639
tells the whole story with the

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01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:29,199
scientific reports with all the photos

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01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:31,280
of the work in the laboratories forest

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01:38:34,629 --> 01:38:32,639
jackerman

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01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:34,639
all the strange things that happened all

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the work involved it has a long long

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01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:39,679
glossary there has gene there has been

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01:38:44,709 --> 01:38:43,520
over 100 anomalous incidents that have

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01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:44,719
happened to me

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01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:47,199
since that day with the inkblot and many

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01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:48,960
of them refer right

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01:38:54,030 --> 01:38:50,400
back to

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01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:54,040
forrest j ackerman and many of them are

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01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:56,159
extraordinary synchronicities of the

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01:39:01,109 --> 01:38:58,080
type that seem to happen to christopher

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01:39:02,390 --> 01:39:01,119
o'brien well not so much anymore but um

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01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:02,400
you never know

2582
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:03,840
you know what you banish you tend to

2583
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:06,320
invoke so you know my one comment about

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01:39:09,430 --> 01:39:07,440
the ackerman

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01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:09,440
um you know

2586
01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:11,040
just the weird synchronicities around

2587
01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:12,880
that is

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01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:15,280
houdini must be uh must be jealous

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01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:17,119
because for

2590
01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:18,480
100 years people have been trying to

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01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:20,639
contact houdini and there's been maybe

2592
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:23,360
one or two things that were possibly

2593
01:39:28,229 --> 01:39:25,280
could be attributed to some sort of

2594
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:28,239
afterlife communication but uh

2595
01:39:31,669 --> 01:39:29,920
not not like this

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01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:31,679
let me tell you i think houdini had a

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01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:34,320
code word that he was going to

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01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:36,560
relay if if a medium could pick it up or

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01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:38,400
something i think that the code word was

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01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:39,600
believe

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01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:42,159
but uh it never happened they tried

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01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:43,840
again and again

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01:39:49,669 --> 01:39:47,280
the last seance they held for houdini

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01:39:51,990 --> 01:39:49,679
before they gave up

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01:39:53,189 --> 01:39:52,000
it rained in los angeles that day only

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01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:53,199
on the building where they held the

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01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:55,440
science that was unusual

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01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:57,679
right and there was another one too i i

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01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:59,600
seem to remember too there was another

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01:40:03,030 --> 01:40:00,960
coincidental

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01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:03,040
exactly what it was around in the seance

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01:40:06,229 --> 01:40:04,480
yeah well i'll tell you what the other

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01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:06,239
thing was that happened was that on on

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01:40:09,109 --> 01:40:07,679
one of the major anniversaries of

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01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:09,119
houdini's death

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01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:11,119
at the magic castle where i'm a member a

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01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:14,320
proud member love that club in hollywood

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01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:16,560
we have a houdini seance room you know

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01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:18,000
we can have dinner

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01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:20,239
we have on display there houdini's

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01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:23,440
handcuffs and you know his

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01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:25,760
uh the straight jackets and lots of

2623
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:28,400
artifacts from his career

2624
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:30,000
and

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01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:31,520
one of the anniversaries of his death

2626
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:35,119
there was a fire in the magic castle

2627
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:37,199
could have been catastrophic but it

2628
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:38,880
started to spread from the uppermost

2629
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:39,760
floor

2630
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:41,040
and then you know they had to use the

2631
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:43,520
fire hoses so there was water damage the

2632
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:44,960
water damage

2633
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:48,080
went right up to the houdini seance room

2634
01:40:51,189 --> 01:40:49,440
and stopped right there

2635
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:51,199
nothing happened to the houdini science

2636
01:40:55,109 --> 01:40:52,560
room and the

2637
01:40:56,629 --> 01:40:55,119
very moment the firemen declared that

2638
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:56,639
the fire was out

2639
01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:58,560
coincided with the time that houdini had

2640
01:41:02,149 --> 01:40:59,440
died

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01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:02,159
so that was kind of neat but even neater

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01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:04,560
still i have a co-author to an atheist

2643
01:41:10,470 --> 01:41:07,520
in heaven i mention it's gary schwartz

2644
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,480
phd from harvard taught at yale

2645
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:12,239
psychology

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01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:14,080
accepted a tenured position as a

2647
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:16,719
professor at university of arizona in

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01:41:22,550 --> 01:41:20,159
tucson and there for about 15 years he's

2649
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:22,560
not only studied mediums

2650
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:25,920
with extraordinary results he has used

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01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:27,520
computers

2652
01:41:31,750 --> 01:41:29,840
and delicate sensors

2653
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:31,760
and software he's developed to try to

2654
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:33,440
communicate with spirits

2655
01:41:36,709 --> 01:41:34,320
and

2656
01:41:39,750 --> 01:41:36,719
he's developed protocols

2657
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:39,760
as i say software and he's reached out

2658
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:41,040
to a few

2659
01:41:47,669 --> 01:41:44,159
spirits in particular and one of them he

2660
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:47,679
appeals to is harry houdini you'll see

2661
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:50,880
in an atheist in heaven we have a

2662
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:53,199
number of chapters by gary schwartz

2663
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:56,159
where he's showing you the results on

2664
01:41:59,750 --> 01:41:58,239
his computer screens of the attempted

2665
01:42:01,750 --> 01:41:59,760
communications

2666
01:42:03,990 --> 01:42:01,760
and he had results from houdini that

2667
01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:04,000
were absolutely off the charts

2668
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:05,679
it can't be explained as background

2669
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:08,400
noise they were just very strong

2670
01:42:13,750 --> 01:42:11,600
specific responses and then he decided

2671
01:42:16,149 --> 01:42:13,760
to bring forest jay ackerman in once he

2672
01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:16,159
met me and he heard the whole story

2673
01:42:20,550 --> 01:42:18,560
and tried to communicate with fari

2674
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:20,560
and he got responses and you'll see that

2675
01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:22,320
we put the pictures in the book of the

2676
01:42:26,149 --> 01:42:24,560
atheists in heaven of the graphs on

2677
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:26,159
fari's computer

2678
01:42:31,030 --> 01:42:28,400
where you see where he gets these

2679
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:31,040
responses of electromagnetic fields

2680
01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:33,360
measurements of radiation whether it's

2681
01:42:38,070 --> 01:42:36,159
gamma rays sometimes he experiments with

2682
01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:38,080
light in pitch blackness

2683
01:42:44,870 --> 01:42:40,800
getting photons to come through

2684
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:44,880
to affect a 50 000 camera in freezing

2685
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:47,679
cold temperatures in total darkness

2686
01:42:50,629 --> 01:42:48,400
and

2687
01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:50,639
photons are measured coming through as a

2688
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:52,960
response as spirit communication

2689
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:54,960
so my bottom line here chris is we've

2690
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:57,840
gone a long way since the days of

2691
01:43:02,470 --> 01:43:00,960
skeptical houdini and his seances

2692
01:43:05,590 --> 01:43:02,480
well that kind of leads to a question

2693
01:43:08,830 --> 01:43:05,600
from one of our listeners uh spectre73

2694
01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:08,840
who is posting this question at

2695
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:10,239
forum.theparacast.com where our

2696
01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:12,000
listeners get a chance to ask our guests

2697
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:13,440
questions about the things that they're

2698
01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:15,440
involved with and his question is right

2699
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:17,520
along these same lines and um he's

2700
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:19,040
wondering if you're aware of the recent

2701
01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:21,520
findings of the southampton university

2702
01:43:24,629 --> 01:43:23,119
study that concluded that there is

2703
01:43:26,390 --> 01:43:24,639
consciousness on some level that

2704
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:26,400
survives after death and

2705
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:27,840
and then the follow-up to that is do you

2706
01:43:32,149 --> 01:43:30,239
think we're seeing a change in attitude

2707
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:32,159
uh in the scientific community about

2708
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:34,239
this subject and uh to hear some

2709
01:43:38,310 --> 01:43:35,760
examples and we're hearing we're hearing

2710
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:38,320
some really good ones this is fantastic

2711
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:40,800
did you say southampton university what

2712
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:42,960
did you say i don't know about that

2713
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:45,280
study and i would certainly like to so

2714
01:43:50,709 --> 01:43:47,840
i'll be looking it up soon as far as

2715
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:50,719
changes in attitudes and breakthroughs

2716
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:53,440
to some extent there have been

2717
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:55,600
many many books written in the last

2718
01:43:59,109 --> 01:43:57,760
couple of decades i think with the aging

2719
01:44:01,669 --> 01:43:59,119
baby boomers

2720
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:01,679
my generation your generation uh you

2721
01:44:06,229 --> 01:44:04,159
know facing the latter part of our lives

2722
01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:06,239
we look toward this question of

2723
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,080
afterlife and death because we're all

2724
01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:10,080
going to face it sometime

2725
01:44:14,229 --> 01:44:12,080
and so a lot of stuff has been published

2726
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:14,239
there's been a lot on near-death

2727
01:44:18,070 --> 01:44:15,679
experience

2728
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,080
i had danyon brinkley in my film the

2729
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:20,400
life after death project his life after

2730
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:21,840
his his

2731
01:44:26,629 --> 01:44:23,920
near-death experience

2732
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:26,639
is a subject of major books

2733
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:27,440
he

2734
01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:30,080
died from being struck by lightning

2735
01:44:33,590 --> 01:44:31,280
flatlined

2736
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:33,600
but he came back and he had a story to

2737
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:35,920
tell of there's a life beyond this one

2738
01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:38,080
and so have many others there's the book

2739
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:39,920
a proof of heaven

2740
01:44:45,990 --> 01:44:41,760
an excellent book

2741
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:48,709
and gary schwartz has written many books

2742
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:49,600
but

2743
01:44:55,510 --> 01:44:52,960
by and large in the mainstream

2744
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:55,520
scientific world

2745
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:57,600
these beliefs are still they're not

2746
01:45:01,590 --> 01:44:58,880
accepted

2747
01:45:06,310 --> 01:45:01,600
there's a general unwillingness to look

2748
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:06,320
at evidence or what we think is evidence

2749
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:09,600
there is definitely ridicule still

2750
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:12,239
one of the scientists who i enlisted

2751
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dr j siegel chemist at the

2752
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university uh of indiana university

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he had a colleague who had uh chemists

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did work with the secret service

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let's do our break here and then we'll

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pick up on that

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we've got paul david's

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[Music]

2811
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:03,830
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2812
01:48:08,709 --> 01:48:07,440
standard of paranormal radio

2813
01:48:15,270 --> 01:48:08,719
and now

2814
01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:19,350
so chris is talking from beyond so

2815
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:20,960
continue from where

2816
01:48:25,189 --> 01:48:22,880
i was

2817
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:25,199
dr j siegel's colleague when he heard

2818
01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:27,119
what was being researched

2819
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:28,800
wouldn't look at the evidence wouldn't

2820
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:30,159
look at the inkblot wouldn't come

2821
01:48:33,750 --> 01:48:31,040
wouldn't even look through the

2822
01:48:35,590 --> 01:48:33,760
microscope just rolled his eyes walked

2823
01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:35,600
out of the room

2824
01:48:38,550 --> 01:48:36,400
and

2825
01:48:40,629 --> 01:48:38,560
among the skeptical world

2826
01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:40,639
it's really interesting the case i'll

2827
01:48:45,189 --> 01:48:43,679
call it a case of dr michael shermer

2828
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:45,199
he's the executive director of the

2829
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:47,920
skeptic society in pasadena

2830
01:48:51,910 --> 01:48:49,760
and he's also the publisher of skeptic

2831
01:48:54,070 --> 01:48:51,920
magazine and

2832
01:48:56,950 --> 01:48:54,080
we all know him in the paranormal fields

2833
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:56,960
because he's often there to say no no no

2834
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:58,080
you guys don't know what you're talking

2835
01:49:01,830 --> 01:48:58,800
about

2836
01:49:03,510 --> 01:49:01,840
and uh i had him in the life after death

2837
01:49:05,669 --> 01:49:03,520
project and

2838
01:49:08,149 --> 01:49:05,679
you know his position was basically paul

2839
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,159
look life after death he said i'm for it

2840
01:49:12,390 --> 01:49:10,480
don't get mad at me i'm for it you know

2841
01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:12,400
i don't object to it it's a good idea he

2842
01:49:16,629 --> 01:49:14,800
said but i just have never seen any

2843
01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:16,639
evidence for it and it would take some

2844
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:19,040
really strong evidence to convince me

2845
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:20,639
and if you've got life after death then

2846
01:49:25,109 --> 01:49:22,480
you had to have life before death and

2847
01:49:27,590 --> 01:49:25,119
where were you before you were born and

2848
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:27,600
but he conceded he said maybe someday

2849
01:49:32,629 --> 01:49:31,119
we'll find out that it is true that it's

2850
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:32,639
explained by

2851
01:49:36,229 --> 01:49:34,960
some quantum mechanical principle and

2852
01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:36,239
then he said it's not going to be

2853
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:38,000
paranormal anymore

2854
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:41,040
it'll be chapter 25 in your physics book

2855
01:49:46,149 --> 01:49:43,360
okay but

2856
01:49:47,430 --> 01:49:46,159
he couldn't explain any of these things

2857
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:47,440
that had happened to me with vars

2858
01:49:51,109 --> 01:49:48,880
jackerman

2859
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:51,119
he didn't try he just said look paul you

2860
01:49:55,109 --> 01:49:53,119
know these are one-off experiments

2861
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:55,119
experiences we can't duplicate them in

2862
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:56,639
the lab we can't make them happen when

2863
01:49:59,910 --> 01:49:58,159
we want them to happen

2864
01:50:01,109 --> 01:49:59,920
he says i just put him in a gray basket

2865
01:50:02,629 --> 01:50:01,119
and say maybe we'll know about this

2866
01:50:05,430 --> 01:50:02,639
someday

2867
01:50:07,590 --> 01:50:05,440
but and i object to that attitude very

2868
01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:07,600
strongly no no don't put it in the gray

2869
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:10,639
basket let's put it front and center

2870
01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:12,880
in our research agenda

2871
01:50:16,629 --> 01:50:14,560
let's learn more about it let's put

2872
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:16,639
money and resources into this

2873
01:50:21,109 --> 01:50:18,480
experimentation because scientists like

2874
01:50:22,149 --> 01:50:21,119
gary schwartz and others are trying very

2875
01:50:24,229 --> 01:50:22,159
hard

2876
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:24,239
rowing upstream against this terrible

2877
01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:25,280
current

2878
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:28,480
that ignores their work and uh i want to

2879
01:50:34,790 --> 01:50:30,239
add that dr john allison the other

2880
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:34,800
chemist who subjected the ink in my case

2881
01:50:41,189 --> 01:50:38,639
to laser desorption technology and he's

2882
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:41,199
provided his reports on that research

2883
01:50:45,510 --> 01:50:44,080
for the book he's baffled he's mystified

2884
01:50:48,310 --> 01:50:45,520
he couldn't duplicate what happened to

2885
01:50:50,709 --> 01:50:48,320
me he said you know science can't

2886
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:50,719
reproduce this we can't explain it we

2887
01:50:54,790 --> 01:50:52,639
he's changed his mind

2888
01:50:56,870 --> 01:50:54,800
so much from his massive skepticism at

2889
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:56,880
the beginning and wondering even was i

2890
01:51:01,510 --> 01:50:58,560
playing some kind of hoax on everybody

2891
01:51:02,870 --> 01:51:01,520
no no no rule that out you know i signed

2892
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:02,880
a sworn affidavit at the beginning of

2893
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:05,520
this everything accounted for in the

2894
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:06,400
book

2895
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:08,000
and in the life after death project

2896
01:51:11,590 --> 01:51:08,960
really

2897
01:51:13,990 --> 01:51:11,600
did happen but dr allison

2898
01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:14,000
said when i asked him can you get some

2899
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:16,800
of your colleagues to read an atheist in

2900
01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:19,520
heaven and see your three years of

2901
01:51:24,310 --> 01:51:21,520
scientific research

2902
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:24,320
on the ink obliteration and he said paul

2903
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:26,000
you know he said

2904
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:29,040
it's hopeless he said you know they

2905
01:51:31,669 --> 01:51:30,400
you tell them about it they just think

2906
01:51:33,030 --> 01:51:31,679
it's silly

2907
01:51:35,189 --> 01:51:33,040
so

2908
01:51:36,629 --> 01:51:35,199
terrible terrible terrible it's just

2909
01:51:38,550 --> 01:51:36,639
like

2910
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:38,560
science can't even define consciousness

2911
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:39,679
so

2912
01:51:44,950 --> 01:51:41,760
gene you know uh with dr schermer

2913
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:44,960
something really weird happened to him

2914
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:46,880
you know some might say he got his

2915
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:48,480
comeuppance

2916
01:51:52,070 --> 01:51:50,480
because something happened to him that

2917
01:51:55,109 --> 01:51:52,080
he wrote up

2918
01:51:56,470 --> 01:51:55,119
in scientific american in his column

2919
01:51:57,750 --> 01:51:56,480
something happened

2920
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:57,760
just like the things that have been

2921
01:52:01,589 --> 01:51:59,280
happening to me with vary ackermann and

2922
01:52:03,109 --> 01:52:01,599
it happened on his wedding day

2923
01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:03,119
and his wife

2924
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:04,960
missed her grandfather who was deceased

2925
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:07,119
who had raised her

2926
01:52:12,070 --> 01:52:09,199
they had sent all his possessions over

2927
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:12,080
from germany to pasadena

2928
01:52:15,669 --> 01:52:13,280
there was a

2929
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:15,679
an old radio in there that wasn't

2930
01:52:19,750 --> 01:52:17,760
working anymore michael shurmur tried to

2931
01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:19,760
make it work he gave up

2932
01:52:23,430 --> 01:52:21,760
took a soldering gun tried everything

2933
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:23,440
damn thing didn't work stuck it in the

2934
01:52:26,149 --> 01:52:24,320
drawer

2935
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:26,159
and it was from her grandfather and they

2936
01:52:29,910 --> 01:52:28,480
get married they get a license at city

2937
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:29,920
hall they go to the house they got

2938
01:52:34,149 --> 01:52:31,920
friends there and they're about to say

2939
01:52:36,390 --> 01:52:34,159
their vows and she said boy i wish my

2940
01:52:38,149 --> 01:52:36,400
grandfather was here to give me away and

2941
01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:38,159
at that moment

2942
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:41,520
music starts playing it's a love song

2943
01:52:44,870 --> 01:52:43,199
and everybody's looking around where's

2944
01:52:47,589 --> 01:52:44,880
the music coming from who hasn't turned

2945
01:52:49,350 --> 01:52:47,599
off their you know their phone

2946
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:49,360
nobody it's not coming from any phone in

2947
01:52:53,109 --> 01:52:50,880
the house they open the door is a

2948
01:52:54,070 --> 01:52:53,119
neighbor playing music loud no no where

2949
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:54,080
is it

2950
01:52:58,709 --> 01:52:56,880
it's coming from grandpa's radio

2951
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:58,719
she said i wish grandpa was here to give

2952
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:01,440
me away and the response is

2953
01:53:05,430 --> 01:53:03,599
within two minutes of that the dead

2954
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:05,440
radio comes to life and plays a love

2955
01:53:09,189 --> 01:53:06,400
song

2956
01:53:11,910 --> 01:53:09,199
in michael shermer's house

2957
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:11,920
so you know put that put put that in

2958
01:53:18,390 --> 01:53:14,480
your pipe and smoke it yeah you smarmy

2959
01:53:23,830 --> 01:53:21,109
and he really is a smug smarmy dude

2960
01:53:25,990 --> 01:53:23,840
every time i see him on some show

2961
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:26,000
you know poo pooing this or tis disking

2962
01:53:30,149 --> 01:53:28,000
that he's just he's got such a

2963
01:53:32,550 --> 01:53:30,159
condescending smirk

2964
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:32,560
they invented the word smarmy

2965
01:53:37,669 --> 01:53:35,760
just for michael shermer i think so yeah

2966
01:53:40,070 --> 01:53:37,679
yeah what can you do what can you do we

2967
01:53:42,390 --> 01:53:40,080
need our skeptics but man at least be a

2968
01:53:43,669 --> 01:53:42,400
little bit open-minded

2969
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:43,679
you know something like that smacking

2970
01:53:47,109 --> 01:53:45,199
you upside the head you'd think that

2971
01:53:48,629 --> 01:53:47,119
that would have some some impact on your

2972
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:48,639
thinking but no

2973
01:53:52,790 --> 01:53:50,880
oh it was just a coincidence i guess i

2974
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:52,800
did fix the radio

2975
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:54,480
you know what was really funny is when i

2976
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:56,560
was making the life after death project

2977
01:53:59,830 --> 01:53:58,239
and i was at

2978
01:54:02,629 --> 01:53:59,840
his home which was the center of the

2979
01:54:05,350 --> 01:54:02,639
publication for skeptic society

2980
01:54:09,270 --> 01:54:05,360
uh and i filmed his interview there

2981
01:54:11,030 --> 01:54:09,280
uh he showed the inkblot to

2982
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:11,040
a lady who works with them and

2983
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:12,960
co-publishes the magazine i think and

2984
01:54:16,390 --> 01:54:14,400
says what does that look like to you and

2985
01:54:18,390 --> 01:54:16,400
she says oh nothing you know just looks

2986
01:54:20,390 --> 01:54:18,400
like a smudge

2987
01:54:22,629 --> 01:54:20,400
well i have a lot of problems with this

2988
01:54:24,629 --> 01:54:22,639
word smudge because smudge is the one

2989
01:54:27,510 --> 01:54:24,639
thing it wasn't you know smudged means

2990
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:27,520
like a smear an accidental smear

2991
01:54:31,750 --> 01:54:29,520
and the defining thing about this ink

2992
01:54:34,950 --> 01:54:31,760
obliteration of these words which were a

2993
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:34,960
coded message from forrest j ackerman

2994
01:54:39,030 --> 01:54:36,800
i was able to discover that with a

2995
01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:39,040
little time the thing about that was it

2996
01:54:43,750 --> 01:54:40,800
was precise

2997
01:54:45,990 --> 01:54:43,760
it was exact it was those words were

2998
01:54:47,750 --> 01:54:46,000
targeted and you could see that and yet

2999
01:54:49,589 --> 01:54:47,760
the skeptics when they wrote about the

3000
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:49,599
life after death project and reviews and

3001
01:54:52,709 --> 01:54:51,280
things they'd say oh paul david's in his

3002
01:54:55,350 --> 01:54:52,719
smudge you know

3003
01:54:57,589 --> 01:54:55,360
happened in a hotel room they said you

3004
01:54:59,189 --> 01:54:57,599
know so no it didn't happen a hotel room

3005
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:59,199
uh where somebody could have had a key

3006
01:55:02,149 --> 01:55:00,480
and come in no it happened in my own

3007
01:55:03,189 --> 01:55:02,159
house with the doors locked

3008
01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:03,199
so

3009
01:55:08,709 --> 01:55:06,400
you know uh after

3010
01:55:11,669 --> 01:55:08,719
after i had the interview with him

3011
01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:11,679
i went into his office with him

3012
01:55:15,990 --> 01:55:14,159
and we were talking about

3013
01:55:17,589 --> 01:55:16,000
stuff we he mentioned that oh george

3014
01:55:19,510 --> 01:55:17,599
clayton johnson's gonna be coming over

3015
01:55:21,350 --> 01:55:19,520
in a half an hour he said i haven't met

3016
01:55:23,270 --> 01:55:21,360
george clayton johnson before he said do

3017
01:55:24,470 --> 01:55:23,280
you know who he is i said oh my god do i

3018
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:24,480
know he is he's a close friend of

3019
01:55:30,070 --> 01:55:26,880
forrest j ackerman you know he wrote for

3020
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:31,350
and

3021
01:55:34,709 --> 01:55:33,199
i thought that was odd the timing that

3022
01:55:36,790 --> 01:55:34,719
like almost like far he's sending an

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emissary to meet with him

3024
01:55:42,550 --> 01:55:40,320
and michael takes the inkblot thing from

3025
01:55:44,229 --> 01:55:42,560
me and he's looking at it really

3026
01:55:46,390 --> 01:55:44,239
carefully and he's quiet there for a

3027
01:55:47,990 --> 01:55:46,400
moment he's sitting and i'm standing

3028
01:55:49,669 --> 01:55:48,000
and he looks up at me

3029
01:55:52,310 --> 01:55:49,679
and he gets kind of a quizzical look in

3030
01:55:57,030 --> 01:55:52,320
his face and he says hmm he says

3031
01:56:01,910 --> 01:55:59,750
okay he wouldn't say that publicly oh a

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01:56:04,950 --> 01:56:01,920
in the armor

3033
01:56:07,270 --> 01:56:04,960
a crack in the facade

3034
01:56:08,870 --> 01:56:07,280
yeah there it is

3035
01:56:10,950 --> 01:56:08,880
so where would you like to go guys how

3036
01:56:12,870 --> 01:56:10,960
much time do we have and

3037
01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:12,880
what would you like to focus on well we

3038
01:56:16,149 --> 01:56:14,000
have a couple of minutes left for this

3039
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:16,159
segment and three more we've made so

3040
01:56:20,629 --> 01:56:17,840
much progress

3041
01:56:22,950 --> 01:56:20,639
but just talking about life after death

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01:56:25,350 --> 01:56:22,960
and we all have the same illusions about

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that in the same legends and it was a tv

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show

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just last year where

3046
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it features this doctor

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whose

3048
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child died

3049
01:56:40,550 --> 01:56:38,719
very young and she's a skeptic but she

3050
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meets this millionaire

3051
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or a billionaire who's dying of cancer

3052
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and willing to fund

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research into life after death

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jennifer beals played

3055
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the star of the show the doctor

3056
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unfortunately i thought was a good show

3057
01:56:57,510 --> 01:56:55,040
but it didn't survive more of a single

3058
01:56:59,189 --> 01:56:57,520
season and then

3059
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we had kind of a theory i'm going to

3060
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drop this on you because it's something

3061
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you haven't heard before but maybe you

3062
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have some ideas where

3063
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one of our regular

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bloggers of the paranormal guide uses

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the name red pill junkie ever hear of

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him

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no rpg no

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he wrote a long editorial for the power

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cast newsletter

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where he suggested that there's a

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connection in terms of descriptive

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nature

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between life after death

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and reports of ufo abductions

3075
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and i wondered here we'll get to it in

3076
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our next segment

3077
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maybe something you never heard before

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chris from the afterlife or from the

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aftermarket depending on your point of

3188
02:02:23,189 --> 02:02:21,840
view paul davids i dropped something in

3189
02:02:25,350 --> 02:02:23,199
there which you probably haven't heard

3190
02:02:27,910 --> 02:02:25,360
about what do you think well i did hear

3191
02:02:29,669 --> 02:02:27,920
about it from whitley strieber whitley's

3192
02:02:32,390 --> 02:02:29,679
late wife ann

3193
02:02:34,310 --> 02:02:32,400
was an executive producer on

3194
02:02:37,030 --> 02:02:34,320
the life after death project

3195
02:02:40,950 --> 02:02:37,040
and whitley had a theory that there was

3196
02:02:47,589 --> 02:02:41,750
he

3197
02:02:49,430 --> 02:02:47,599
abductees had seen deceased people as

3198
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part of their abduction

3199
02:02:53,510 --> 02:02:51,920
i don't know you know i don't know it's

3200
02:02:54,629 --> 02:02:53,520
like

3201
02:02:56,950 --> 02:02:54,639
every

3202
02:02:58,629 --> 02:02:56,960
field of paranormal

3203
02:03:00,790 --> 02:02:58,639
has

3204
02:03:02,950 --> 02:03:00,800
certain limits for me that you know if

3205
02:03:05,030 --> 02:03:02,960
you go beyond a certain limit it becomes

3206
02:03:07,270 --> 02:03:05,040
you know woo-woo mush land

3207
02:03:09,669 --> 02:03:07,280
you know melt your brain away

3208
02:03:11,910 --> 02:03:09,679
i think we've got one problem of

3209
02:03:13,270 --> 02:03:11,920
proving whether there are alien

3210
02:03:16,390 --> 02:03:13,280
abductions

3211
02:03:18,550 --> 02:03:16,400
i think the evidence is good and dr john

3212
02:03:20,470 --> 02:03:18,560
mack did great work on that field but

3213
02:03:21,910 --> 02:03:20,480
i'm not an expert in that field you know

3214
02:03:24,870 --> 02:03:21,920
i've just

3215
02:03:27,350 --> 02:03:24,880
heard enough stories and enough lectures

3216
02:03:30,229 --> 02:03:27,360
to think yeah there's something there

3217
02:03:32,310 --> 02:03:30,239
it's not just sleep paralysis like so

3218
02:03:34,790 --> 02:03:32,320
many of the skeptics like to say

3219
02:03:37,430 --> 02:03:34,800
and then in the after death studies

3220
02:03:39,030 --> 02:03:37,440
you know you kind of have to worry

3221
02:03:41,669 --> 02:03:39,040
and wonder

3222
02:03:43,510 --> 02:03:41,679
where do you get off the train in belief

3223
02:03:46,470 --> 02:03:43,520
now for me

3224
02:03:47,910 --> 02:03:46,480
i never sought out these experiences or

3225
02:03:50,629 --> 02:03:47,920
this um

3226
02:03:52,149 --> 02:03:50,639
belief it happened fari said maybe i'll

3227
02:03:53,510 --> 02:03:52,159
drop you a line he literally dropped me

3228
02:03:56,629 --> 02:03:53,520
a line he was an

3229
02:03:57,830 --> 02:03:56,639
editor he's a line of text and that

3230
02:04:00,629 --> 02:03:57,840
started

3231
02:04:02,550 --> 02:04:00,639
this change in my life because since

3232
02:04:04,310 --> 02:04:02,560
2009

3233
02:04:05,669 --> 02:04:04,320
it's like every once in a while

3234
02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:05,679
something happens and i feel like i've

3235
02:04:10,229 --> 02:04:07,760
slipped into the twilight zone something

3236
02:04:12,550 --> 02:04:10,239
happens i can't explain it and it's

3237
02:04:14,310 --> 02:04:12,560
weird weird weird

3238
02:04:16,470 --> 02:04:14,320
you know i just throw at you there is

3239
02:04:18,870 --> 02:04:16,480
the day that the mask of fari's face

3240
02:04:20,870 --> 02:04:18,880
moved by itself 10 feet across the room

3241
02:04:22,950 --> 02:04:20,880
in my office while i was out of the

3242
02:04:24,629 --> 02:04:22,960
office for was the only object that

3243
02:04:26,550 --> 02:04:24,639
moved it happened to be on the day i

3244
02:04:28,550 --> 02:04:26,560
heard the life after death project was

3245
02:04:31,350 --> 02:04:28,560
accepted to be on the sci-fi channel

3246
02:04:33,189 --> 02:04:31,360
okay let's back up here folks okay all

3247
02:04:34,870 --> 02:04:33,199
right this happened when you were not in

3248
02:04:37,109 --> 02:04:34,880
your office

3249
02:04:39,750 --> 02:04:37,119
right yes i wasn't in the office i was

3250
02:04:40,950 --> 02:04:39,760
out to lunch okay so you're out to lunch

3251
02:04:43,109 --> 02:04:40,960
you come back

3252
02:04:45,270 --> 02:04:43,119
and suddenly that thing is moved ten

3253
02:04:47,830 --> 02:04:45,280
feet that wasn't the only thing that

3254
02:04:50,149 --> 02:04:47,840
happened during that hour uh hour and a

3255
02:04:52,070 --> 02:04:50,159
half yeah i was surrounded by

3256
02:04:54,950 --> 02:04:52,080
strangeness

3257
02:04:57,189 --> 02:04:54,960
the computer has two screens it's a

3258
02:05:00,229 --> 02:04:57,199
video editing computer and it had been

3259
02:05:02,870 --> 02:05:00,239
up but when i come into the office and

3260
02:05:05,270 --> 02:05:02,880
you know i i pick up the mask that's not

3261
02:05:07,910 --> 02:05:05,280
where it had been left

3262
02:05:10,550 --> 02:05:07,920
on display for the previous years since

3263
02:05:13,270 --> 02:05:10,560
i got this mask at his estate sale

3264
02:05:16,709 --> 02:05:13,280
suddenly the computer goes dead it just

3265
02:05:19,430 --> 02:05:16,719
shuts itself off so the screens go black

3266
02:05:21,510 --> 02:05:19,440
and when i boot the computer back up

3267
02:05:23,270 --> 02:05:21,520
there are two open

3268
02:05:25,109 --> 02:05:23,280
folders

3269
02:05:26,870 --> 02:05:25,119
one on each screen that were not open

3270
02:05:30,149 --> 02:05:26,880
before i hadn't opened them and one of

3271
02:05:33,030 --> 02:05:30,159
them is all files of photos of forrest j

3272
02:05:35,189 --> 02:05:33,040
ackerman and the other is all files

3273
02:05:38,070 --> 02:05:35,199
about his magazine famous monsters film

3274
02:05:40,390 --> 02:05:38,080
land boy this guy is really active there

3275
02:05:41,589 --> 02:05:40,400
he can't stop writing huh

3276
02:05:44,070 --> 02:05:41,599
not only that

3277
02:05:47,750 --> 02:05:44,080
during that same period of that hour all

3278
02:05:50,070 --> 02:05:47,760
right i have a sign in my office again

3279
02:05:51,830 --> 02:05:50,080
acquired at the estate sale

3280
02:05:53,669 --> 02:05:51,840
that i think

3281
02:05:55,030 --> 02:05:53,679
it may re well related to one of his

3282
02:05:57,589 --> 02:05:55,040
appearances at a world science fiction

3283
02:06:02,149 --> 02:05:57,599
convention where it says you know meet

3284
02:06:04,550 --> 02:06:02,159
forrest j ackerman the editor of fm meet

3285
02:06:06,070 --> 02:06:04,560
the aker monster editor of fm

3286
02:06:09,350 --> 02:06:06,080
and that's in that same room where the

3287
02:06:10,870 --> 02:06:09,360
mask moved now while i was out to lunch

3288
02:06:12,310 --> 02:06:10,880
you know when the mask was moving around

3289
02:06:13,430 --> 02:06:12,320
in my room

3290
02:06:16,070 --> 02:06:13,440
a car

3291
02:06:18,390 --> 02:06:16,080
swerves in front of me just as i was on

3292
02:06:21,669 --> 02:06:18,400
my way to the norton simon museum that

3293
02:06:24,550 --> 02:06:21,679
has a license plate that says

3294
02:06:27,189 --> 02:06:24,560
am loves fm

3295
02:06:28,790 --> 02:06:27,199
and it just immediately struck me again

3296
02:06:30,790 --> 02:06:28,800
chris o'brien this is one of those

3297
02:06:34,550 --> 02:06:30,800
synchronicities the synchronicity of it

3298
02:06:36,069 --> 02:06:34,560
i i i pulled up my iphone i put it on

3299
02:06:37,669 --> 02:06:36,079
camera and i took a picture of that

3300
02:06:41,030 --> 02:06:37,679
license plate you know even while i was

3301
02:06:45,510 --> 02:06:41,040
driving am loves fm

3302
02:06:48,149 --> 02:06:45,520
am ackerman acker mansion loves fm his

3303
02:06:49,990 --> 02:06:48,159
magazine fm famous monsters right in my

3304
02:06:52,069 --> 02:06:50,000
office where his mask was moving around

3305
02:06:54,870 --> 02:06:52,079
i have the sign that talks about meet

3306
02:06:56,629 --> 02:06:54,880
ackerman who at its fm

3307
02:06:58,470 --> 02:06:56,639
so you've got

3308
02:07:00,790 --> 02:06:58,480
four things happening within an hour

3309
02:07:02,629 --> 02:07:00,800
you've got the the license plate you've

3310
02:07:04,709 --> 02:07:02,639
got the mask moving

3311
02:07:05,589 --> 02:07:04,719
you've got the computer shutting itself

3312
02:07:07,189 --> 02:07:05,599
off

3313
02:07:09,030 --> 02:07:07,199
five things actually because then when

3314
02:07:10,870 --> 02:07:09,040
the computer boots back up you've got

3315
02:07:13,189 --> 02:07:10,880
two open folders both relating to

3316
02:07:16,629 --> 02:07:13,199
forrest j ackerman guys i couldn't

3317
02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:16,639
invent this stuff if i tried if i tried

3318
02:07:19,910 --> 02:07:17,920
if i wanted to be a science fiction

3319
02:07:22,790 --> 02:07:19,920
writer and tried to dream up stuff i

3320
02:07:24,470 --> 02:07:22,800
couldn't think of this it really happens

3321
02:07:26,470 --> 02:07:24,480
and it keeps happening and it's been

3322
02:07:28,629 --> 02:07:26,480
happening now for six years

3323
02:07:30,709 --> 02:07:28,639
yeah ever since i read my book

3324
02:07:32,470 --> 02:07:30,719
but i love it though i look look i love

3325
02:07:33,990 --> 02:07:32,480
it if barry's listening

3326
02:07:36,149 --> 02:07:34,000
i don't want fairy to think that i

3327
02:07:39,189 --> 02:07:36,159
object to these intrusions in any way

3328
02:07:40,950 --> 02:07:39,199
you know i love this man so dearly

3329
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:40,960
he's always welcome

3330
02:07:44,790 --> 02:07:43,040
and i'm working very hard right now

3331
02:07:48,069 --> 02:07:44,800
because his 100th birthday is going to

3332
02:07:50,229 --> 02:07:48,079
be november 24th of this year 100 years

3333
02:07:52,629 --> 02:07:50,239
he was born in 1916.

3334
02:07:55,990 --> 02:07:52,639
i'm working with the city council of los

3335
02:07:58,069 --> 02:07:56,000
angeles to have a certain square in los

3336
02:08:00,390 --> 02:07:58,079
angeles a certain intersection named

3337
02:08:02,229 --> 02:08:00,400
forrest j ackerman square and it's right

3338
02:08:03,669 --> 02:08:02,239
by the house of pies where he would

3339
02:08:05,589 --> 02:08:03,679
always go for lunch the last six years

3340
02:08:08,550 --> 02:08:05,599
of his life and i think they're probably

3341
02:08:10,870 --> 02:08:08,560
going to do it so look i i love this man

3342
02:08:13,109 --> 02:08:10,880
he's welcome in my life but

3343
02:08:14,950 --> 02:08:13,119
this has changed my life it's changed my

3344
02:08:18,390 --> 02:08:14,960
worldview it's changed

3345
02:08:20,470 --> 02:08:18,400
you know it's it's opened my mind

3346
02:08:23,350 --> 02:08:20,480
to all of these things

3347
02:08:25,589 --> 02:08:23,360
and my mind had been briefly opened

3348
02:08:27,910 --> 02:08:25,599
about these things back in 1983 when i

3349
02:08:30,470 --> 02:08:27,920
worked for f lee bailey i worked for f

3350
02:08:32,069 --> 02:08:30,480
lee bailey on his television show

3351
02:08:34,790 --> 02:08:32,079
lie detector

3352
02:08:36,709 --> 02:08:34,800
but in 1983 i brought in a psychic for

3353
02:08:39,109 --> 02:08:36,719
lie detector psychic detective from new

3354
02:08:41,510 --> 02:08:39,119
jersey dorothy allison

3355
02:08:44,229 --> 02:08:41,520
she passed the lie detector test she had

3356
02:08:46,629 --> 02:08:44,239
an extraordinary story to tell about how

3357
02:08:49,350 --> 02:08:46,639
psychic means communicating with the

3358
02:08:50,629 --> 02:08:49,360
departed spirit of a murder victim a 14

3359
02:08:53,270 --> 02:08:50,639
year old girl

3360
02:08:55,750 --> 02:08:53,280
who told her where her corpse could be

3361
02:08:56,709 --> 02:08:55,760
found because the body wasn't found

3362
02:08:59,270 --> 02:08:56,719
and

3363
02:09:01,109 --> 02:08:59,280
the body was found based on her clues

3364
02:09:03,430 --> 02:09:01,119
and it wasn't the only time she had

3365
02:09:05,030 --> 02:09:03,440
letters from police departments

3366
02:09:07,350 --> 02:09:05,040
you know signed by various policemen who

3367
02:09:08,310 --> 02:09:07,360
said she helped us solve this case

3368
02:09:12,149 --> 02:09:08,320
so

3369
02:09:13,589 --> 02:09:12,159
back in 1983 based on that i had to say

3370
02:09:15,830 --> 02:09:13,599
to myself

3371
02:09:17,350 --> 02:09:15,840
there's something to this

3372
02:09:18,629 --> 02:09:17,360
where could the lady get this

3373
02:09:21,750 --> 02:09:18,639
information

3374
02:09:25,030 --> 02:09:21,760
she says she's getting it from spirits

3375
02:09:27,350 --> 02:09:25,040
so that means afterlife it means spirits

3376
02:09:28,790 --> 02:09:27,360
are real and it means they can reach out

3377
02:09:30,870 --> 02:09:28,800
and communicate

3378
02:09:33,350 --> 02:09:30,880
so yeah i was there with the idea in

3379
02:09:35,350 --> 02:09:33,360
1983 but then it's dormant i don't even

3380
02:09:37,669 --> 02:09:35,360
think about it it's not part of my life

3381
02:09:40,310 --> 02:09:37,679
at all zero

3382
02:09:43,270 --> 02:09:40,320
until far he passes away and he drops me

3383
02:09:45,350 --> 02:09:43,280
a line that's it

3384
02:09:47,589 --> 02:09:45,360
what a guy

3385
02:09:49,510 --> 02:09:47,599
yeah well it's great gene that you knew

3386
02:09:51,750 --> 02:09:49,520
him i mean it's it's one of the

3387
02:09:52,950 --> 02:09:51,760
synchronicities that you you not only

3388
02:09:55,030 --> 02:09:52,960
knew him

3389
02:09:57,109 --> 02:09:55,040
but he visited you on that cross-country

3390
02:09:59,430 --> 02:09:57,119
trip which happens to be the very same

3391
02:10:01,830 --> 02:09:59,440
trip when i met him i mean

3392
02:10:03,350 --> 02:10:01,840
again what are the odds

3393
02:10:04,629 --> 02:10:03,360
exactly i was probably near the end of

3394
02:10:06,629 --> 02:10:04,639
his trip because as you said he was

3395
02:10:08,390 --> 02:10:06,639
going towards washington d.c

3396
02:10:09,589 --> 02:10:08,400
and i was living in brooklyn new york at

3397
02:10:12,069 --> 02:10:09,599
the time

3398
02:10:15,189 --> 02:10:12,079
where my father grew up by the way

3399
02:10:17,510 --> 02:10:15,199
oh my father in brooklyn

3400
02:10:19,030 --> 02:10:17,520
and uh i'm trying to think of the

3401
02:10:20,470 --> 02:10:19,040
streets

3402
02:10:21,830 --> 02:10:20,480
um

3403
02:10:23,589 --> 02:10:21,840
it'll come to me

3404
02:10:24,550 --> 02:10:23,599
while he thinks of what street his

3405
02:10:25,990 --> 02:10:24,560
father

3406
02:10:27,030 --> 02:10:26,000
lived when he grew up in brooklyn new

3407
02:10:29,830 --> 02:10:27,040
york

3408
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3522
02:15:20,310 --> 02:15:18,560
so i lived in brownsville in east

3523
02:15:21,990 --> 02:15:20,320
flatbush mostly

3524
02:15:24,709 --> 02:15:22,000
i lived in brooklyn

3525
02:15:28,149 --> 02:15:24,719
flatbush yes and lyndon did you know

3526
02:15:30,470 --> 02:15:28,159
linden in brooklyn yes strengthen avenue

3527
02:15:31,270 --> 02:15:30,480
yeah you know it was where

3528
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the

3529
02:15:37,510 --> 02:15:34,400
jewish immigrants from europe so many it

3530
02:15:38,709 --> 02:15:37,520
was like a jewish ghetto back in the day

3531
02:15:39,750 --> 02:15:38,719
stayed

3532
02:15:41,510 --> 02:15:39,760
when

3533
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they were accepted into the country they

3534
02:15:45,030 --> 02:15:43,280
were immigrants and there was a large

3535
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jewish population there and my

3536
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grandfather and grandmother on my

3537
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father's side were among them my

3538
02:15:52,390 --> 02:15:50,560
grandfather was a bus mechanic for the

3539
02:15:55,990 --> 02:15:52,400
city of new york

3540
02:15:58,950 --> 02:15:56,000
and um my dad became the scholar in the

3541
02:16:00,950 --> 02:15:58,960
family and then i became the filmmaker

3542
02:16:01,750 --> 02:16:00,960
you know the artist

3543
02:16:03,830 --> 02:16:01,760
near

3544
02:16:05,589 --> 02:16:03,840
the location of ebbets field i don't

3545
02:16:07,750 --> 02:16:05,599
know in brooklyn that well you know i

3546
02:16:10,069 --> 02:16:07,760
don't i remember coney island

3547
02:16:11,270 --> 02:16:10,079
i'm sure you well i'll tell you what my

3548
02:16:14,390 --> 02:16:11,280
wife

3549
02:16:15,510 --> 02:16:14,400
lived a lot of her life in coney island

3550
02:16:17,189 --> 02:16:15,520
not on the

3551
02:16:19,189 --> 02:16:17,199
steeplechase or anything

3552
02:16:20,870 --> 02:16:19,199
but in an apartment just across from

3553
02:16:23,270 --> 02:16:20,880
there

3554
02:16:26,229 --> 02:16:23,280
so gene i had a wonderful chance here to

3555
02:16:28,550 --> 02:16:26,239
talk about roswell and an atheist in

3556
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heaven and the life after death project

3557
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may i take a few moments to tell your

3558
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listeners about some of my movies

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that they may not be so familiar about

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3561
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okay so

3562
02:16:42,870 --> 02:16:42,000
let me rattle them off there's one

3563
02:16:44,709 --> 02:16:42,880
that

3564
02:16:46,469 --> 02:16:44,719
none of you have heard of i think

3565
02:16:48,309 --> 02:16:46,479
because it hasn't played very much but

3566
02:16:51,030 --> 02:16:48,319
it is online now in this country it

3567
02:16:53,110 --> 02:16:51,040
played very widely in latin america it

3568
02:16:54,549 --> 02:16:53,120
got dubbed into spanish and portuguese

3569
02:16:55,990 --> 02:16:54,559
for brazil

3570
02:16:57,669 --> 02:16:56,000
it's called

3571
02:16:59,110 --> 02:16:57,679
before we say

3572
02:17:01,190 --> 02:16:59,120
goodbye

3573
02:17:05,030 --> 02:17:01,200
the title comes from a song

3574
02:17:06,950 --> 02:17:05,040
and it has an almost entirely hispanic

3575
02:17:09,669 --> 02:17:06,960
american cast

3576
02:17:12,709 --> 02:17:09,679
new mexico albuquerque

3577
02:17:13,669 --> 02:17:12,719
it's a story of hispanic american family

3578
02:17:16,790 --> 02:17:13,679
that

3579
02:17:19,429 --> 02:17:16,800
the the grandmother is a devout catholic

3580
02:17:21,750 --> 02:17:19,439
and she lives her life by

3581
02:17:24,309 --> 02:17:21,760
our lady of guadalupe

3582
02:17:25,429 --> 02:17:24,319
uh the virgin of guadalupe and that

3583
02:17:28,150 --> 02:17:25,439
story

3584
02:17:29,990 --> 02:17:28,160
it's a it's a catholic miracle from the

3585
02:17:33,669 --> 02:17:30,000
year 1531.

3586
02:17:36,309 --> 02:17:33,679
it is an amazing story you want evidence

3587
02:17:37,990 --> 02:17:36,319
of paranormal in this sense in a

3588
02:17:40,950 --> 02:17:38,000
religious context

3589
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:40,960
look into our our lady of guadalupe and

3590
02:17:46,309 --> 02:17:42,800
you know in in los angeles in the

3591
02:17:48,950 --> 02:17:46,319
southwest in new mexico and arizona the

3592
02:17:50,950 --> 02:17:48,960
image of our lady of guadalupe is

3593
02:17:52,629 --> 02:17:50,960
everywhere it's so important among the

3594
02:17:55,030 --> 02:17:52,639
hispanic community

3595
02:17:56,950 --> 02:17:55,040
my movie was based on a wonderful stage

3596
02:17:59,750 --> 02:17:56,960
play by

3597
02:18:02,709 --> 02:17:59,760
writer patricia crespin

3598
02:18:07,030 --> 02:18:05,030
the story deals with the grandmother's

3599
02:18:08,549 --> 02:18:07,040
faith whereas her family is falling

3600
02:18:10,070 --> 02:18:08,559
apart you know she's got a daughter

3601
02:18:12,629 --> 02:18:10,080
who's a college professor who's an

3602
02:18:14,709 --> 02:18:12,639
atheist god forbid she's got another

3603
02:18:16,230 --> 02:18:14,719
daughter who's an adulterer she's got

3604
02:18:18,150 --> 02:18:16,240
sons that are nothing but trouble for

3605
02:18:19,589 --> 02:18:18,160
her and her husband is

3606
02:18:20,950 --> 02:18:19,599
on the verge of passing away and she

3607
02:18:22,870 --> 02:18:20,960
needs a miracle

3608
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:22,880
and where can she get this miracle well

3609
02:18:26,790 --> 02:18:24,559
from the virgin of guadalupe and that

3610
02:18:29,349 --> 02:18:26,800
means making a pilgrimage

3611
02:18:30,870 --> 02:18:29,359
to the basilica in mexico city

3612
02:18:32,389 --> 02:18:30,880
where the relic

3613
02:18:35,110 --> 02:18:32,399
is stored

3614
02:18:37,589 --> 02:18:35,120
the relic from 1531 because what

3615
02:18:38,870 --> 02:18:37,599
happened is

3616
02:18:41,589 --> 02:18:38,880
the

3617
02:18:44,150 --> 02:18:41,599
a peasant named juan diego who was

3618
02:18:46,790 --> 02:18:44,160
recently sainted by the pope

3619
02:18:48,469 --> 02:18:46,800
i think john paul ii sainted him uh he

3620
02:18:49,429 --> 02:18:48,479
encountered a lady he said was from

3621
02:18:50,629 --> 02:18:49,439
heaven

3622
02:18:55,190 --> 02:18:50,639
and

3623
02:18:57,830 --> 02:18:55,200
this lady imprinted her image on his

3624
02:18:58,709 --> 02:18:57,840
cactus cloak

3625
02:19:00,549 --> 02:18:58,719
and

3626
02:19:03,750 --> 02:19:00,559
the cloak

3627
02:19:06,549 --> 02:19:03,760
500 years old is still there today on

3628
02:19:08,950 --> 02:19:06,559
display in the basilica in mexico city

3629
02:19:11,990 --> 02:19:08,960
and you see very clearly the very famous

3630
02:19:14,389 --> 02:19:12,000
image of our lady of guadalupe

3631
02:19:16,469 --> 02:19:14,399
and scientifically that cloak should

3632
02:19:20,070 --> 02:19:16,479
have dissolved away within 50 or 100

3633
02:19:22,950 --> 02:19:20,080
years i mean it's impossible that it

3634
02:19:25,750 --> 02:19:22,960
still exists in pristine condition 500

3635
02:19:27,750 --> 02:19:25,760
years later and it is the original

3636
02:19:29,509 --> 02:19:27,760
so to make the movie

3637
02:19:30,549 --> 02:19:29,519
i needed permission from the catholic

3638
02:19:32,230 --> 02:19:30,559
church

3639
02:19:34,389 --> 02:19:32,240
and went to

3640
02:19:37,190 --> 02:19:34,399
mexico city with my crew and they

3641
02:19:39,110 --> 02:19:37,200
allowed me to film in the basilica to

3642
02:19:42,469 --> 02:19:39,120
film the original relic

3643
02:19:45,270 --> 02:19:42,479
they cooperated with me entirely it's a

3644
02:19:48,150 --> 02:19:45,280
wonderful movie with a fantastic

3645
02:19:50,870 --> 02:19:48,160
uh soundtrack of music by brian thomas

3646
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:50,880
lambert who did the music for my film

3647
02:19:55,030 --> 02:19:53,120
the sci-fi voice

3648
02:19:56,550 --> 02:19:55,040
and he also did the movie from another

3649
02:19:59,510 --> 02:19:56,560
of my films i want you to know about

3650
02:20:02,469 --> 02:19:59,520
called jesus in india

3651
02:20:04,950 --> 02:20:02,479
this film i'm so proud of

3652
02:20:07,030 --> 02:20:04,960
jesus in india it's a documentary

3653
02:20:08,630 --> 02:20:07,040
was on the sundance channel for three

3654
02:20:11,590 --> 02:20:08,640
years every year it was their

3655
02:20:14,070 --> 02:20:11,600
documentary at christmas and at easter

3656
02:20:17,030 --> 02:20:14,080
and uh on tv many many times around the

3657
02:20:18,950 --> 02:20:17,040
world jesus in india

3658
02:20:20,150 --> 02:20:18,960
explain

3659
02:20:24,070 --> 02:20:20,160
there is

3660
02:20:26,070 --> 02:20:24,080
there are 18 missing years in the life

3661
02:20:28,550 --> 02:20:26,080
of christ in the bible

3662
02:20:31,190 --> 02:20:28,560
the new testament takes him up to age 12

3663
02:20:32,309 --> 02:20:31,200
where he's in the temple in jerusalem

3664
02:20:35,670 --> 02:20:32,319
with the

3665
02:20:38,070 --> 02:20:35,680
wise rabbis giving extraordinarily

3666
02:20:39,110 --> 02:20:38,080
insightful responses to their questions

3667
02:20:41,270 --> 02:20:39,120
and they

3668
02:20:42,230 --> 02:20:41,280
are convinced he's a prodigy

3669
02:20:45,510 --> 02:20:42,240
then

3670
02:20:47,590 --> 02:20:45,520
the bible skips 18 years

3671
02:20:52,630 --> 02:20:47,600
there's only one sentence in the book of

3672
02:20:55,590 --> 02:20:52,640
luke that says that jesus increased

3673
02:20:57,750 --> 02:20:55,600
in stature and in wisdom

3674
02:20:59,990 --> 02:20:57,760
what is it and

3675
02:21:00,790 --> 02:21:00,000
you know in stature with it with god and

3676
02:21:03,429 --> 02:21:00,800
man

3677
02:21:05,830 --> 02:21:03,439
i can't have the quote exactly there but

3678
02:21:07,590 --> 02:21:05,840
one sentence doesn't tell where he was

3679
02:21:08,870 --> 02:21:07,600
just that he increased in stature and

3680
02:21:11,030 --> 02:21:08,880
wisdom

3681
02:21:12,150 --> 02:21:11,040
and then the bible picks him up at age

3682
02:21:14,150 --> 02:21:12,160
30

3683
02:21:16,870 --> 02:21:14,160
he's at the river jordan about to be

3684
02:21:18,710 --> 02:21:16,880
baptized by john the baptist

3685
02:21:21,670 --> 02:21:18,720
how is it

3686
02:21:23,590 --> 02:21:21,680
asked edward t martin the author of the

3687
02:21:25,590 --> 02:21:23,600
book i based this movie on the book

3688
02:21:27,190 --> 02:21:25,600
called king of travelers jesus lost

3689
02:21:30,389 --> 02:21:27,200
years in india

3690
02:21:31,670 --> 02:21:30,399
ed asked how is it possible that people

3691
02:21:33,429 --> 02:21:31,680
ignore this

3692
02:21:37,349 --> 02:21:33,439
how is it possible that the writers of

3693
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:37,359
the new testament just skipped 18 years

3694
02:21:41,830 --> 02:21:39,439
you know most of the new testament is

3695
02:21:43,830 --> 02:21:41,840
three years the last three years of the

3696
02:21:44,710 --> 02:21:43,840
life of christ

3697
02:21:48,070 --> 02:21:44,720
so

3698
02:21:49,429 --> 02:21:48,080
there has been a legend in india

3699
02:21:54,870 --> 02:21:49,439
isa

3700
02:21:57,270 --> 02:21:54,880
that the three wise men in the new

3701
02:21:59,590 --> 02:21:57,280
testament were from india

3702
02:22:02,150 --> 02:21:59,600
gold incense and myrrh the gifts to the

3703
02:22:03,910 --> 02:22:02,160
infant were the gifts of

3704
02:22:05,990 --> 02:22:03,920
the magi in

3705
02:22:07,750 --> 02:22:06,000
in in india

3706
02:22:09,750 --> 02:22:07,760
they say according to their traditions

3707
02:22:11,830 --> 02:22:09,760
and they think that he

3708
02:22:14,550 --> 02:22:11,840
repaid the visit taking the silk road

3709
02:22:17,030 --> 02:22:14,560
and spent years in india

3710
02:22:19,990 --> 02:22:17,040
among hindus and buddhists

3711
02:22:21,190 --> 02:22:20,000
and came back with a philosophy and

3712
02:22:23,349 --> 02:22:21,200
teachings

3713
02:22:25,910 --> 02:22:23,359
that was no longer the jewish and eye

3714
02:22:28,950 --> 02:22:25,920
for an eye but were teachings that had

3715
02:22:31,830 --> 02:22:28,960
uh forgiveness and compassion and love

3716
02:22:33,590 --> 02:22:31,840
in ways that were closer to buddhist and

3717
02:22:35,429 --> 02:22:33,600
hindu understanding

3718
02:22:37,670 --> 02:22:35,439
this is the story

3719
02:22:39,270 --> 02:22:37,680
my question was

3720
02:22:41,110 --> 02:22:39,280
is there any way

3721
02:22:43,590 --> 02:22:41,120
we can shed any light on this is there

3722
02:22:46,150 --> 02:22:43,600
any proof is there any evidence

3723
02:22:48,230 --> 02:22:46,160
and i found that there's a lot of

3724
02:22:49,429 --> 02:22:48,240
claimed evidence and i went in pursuit

3725
02:22:51,910 --> 02:22:49,439
of it

3726
02:22:54,710 --> 02:22:51,920
four thousand miles through india

3727
02:22:56,950 --> 02:22:54,720
i trekked with a hindu crew

3728
02:23:00,230 --> 02:22:56,960
and one islamic who helped us

3729
02:23:02,550 --> 02:23:00,240
particularly when we went to kashmir

3730
02:23:04,469 --> 02:23:02,560
which was under armed guard and siege

3731
02:23:06,070 --> 02:23:04,479
even while we were there we our lives

3732
02:23:08,950 --> 02:23:06,080
were in danger when we were filming in

3733
02:23:13,990 --> 02:23:11,910
terrorism followed behind us

3734
02:23:16,870 --> 02:23:14,000
a day or two wherever we went in india

3735
02:23:19,110 --> 02:23:16,880
or monsoons we escaped the the terrible

3736
02:23:20,389 --> 02:23:19,120
floods were always a day or two ahead of

3737
02:23:23,429 --> 02:23:20,399
disaster

3738
02:23:24,309 --> 02:23:23,439
like we felt like we were protected

3739
02:23:28,710 --> 02:23:24,319
but

3740
02:23:31,190 --> 02:23:28,720
i made this wonderful movie that has

3741
02:23:33,030 --> 02:23:31,200
visually it has the great ancient hindu

3742
02:23:36,469 --> 02:23:33,040
temples that we had access to the

3743
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:36,479
buddhist monastery at himas

3744
02:23:41,830 --> 02:23:38,960
up in the himalayas where there's

3745
02:23:44,469 --> 02:23:41,840
uh the the story of the ancient document

3746
02:23:46,550 --> 02:23:44,479
about jesus's missing years in india the

3747
02:23:48,630 --> 02:23:46,560
nicolas notovitch document it's called

3748
02:23:50,230 --> 02:23:48,640
that's a whole story unto itself

3749
02:23:52,550 --> 02:23:50,240
we got to see the dalai lama in

3750
02:23:53,510 --> 02:23:52,560
dharamsala and the dalai lama is in my

3751
02:23:55,910 --> 02:23:53,520
movie

3752
02:23:58,230 --> 02:23:55,920
and i got to see the pope of hinduism

3753
02:24:00,389 --> 02:23:58,240
the shankaracharya who gave me audience

3754
02:24:04,070 --> 02:24:00,399
in the great jagged temple

3755
02:24:06,550 --> 02:24:04,080
2500 years old attesting to me that that

3756
02:24:09,110 --> 02:24:06,560
that temple preceded jesus by hundreds

3757
02:24:10,230 --> 02:24:09,120
of years and jesus was there

3758
02:24:12,710 --> 02:24:10,240
and

3759
02:24:14,950 --> 02:24:12,720
i explored all these legends now

3760
02:24:16,389 --> 02:24:14,960
is it true i don't know you know but

3761
02:24:18,150 --> 02:24:16,399
what they say where there's smoke

3762
02:24:19,590 --> 02:24:18,160
there's fire and my movie is just full

3763
02:24:21,429 --> 02:24:19,600
of all that smoke

3764
02:24:23,190 --> 02:24:21,439
you know what before we have a smoke and

3765
02:24:25,110 --> 02:24:23,200
stop for a few seconds

3766
02:24:28,469 --> 02:24:25,120
let's tell you we have paul david's

3767
02:24:29,830 --> 02:24:28,479
renaissance man artist filmmaker

3768
02:24:31,670 --> 02:24:29,840
author

3769
02:24:33,910 --> 02:24:31,680
you wrote some of those star wars books

3770
02:24:38,830 --> 02:24:33,920
by the way we got more to come with gina

3771
02:24:46,870 --> 02:24:43,590
[Music]

3772
02:24:47,710 --> 02:24:46,880
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paracast the gold standard of paranormal

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[Music]

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02:29:19,030 --> 02:29:16,550
just segueing to the star wars novels

3879
02:29:21,349 --> 02:29:19,040
okay we did those some years back

3880
02:29:22,790 --> 02:29:21,359
anything going on with the new series of

3881
02:29:24,710 --> 02:29:22,800
star wars now

3882
02:29:27,510 --> 02:29:24,720
not that i'm connected with

3883
02:29:29,750 --> 02:29:27,520
the books my wife and i wrote

3884
02:29:32,309 --> 02:29:29,760
uh we were writing them while i was

3885
02:29:34,309 --> 02:29:32,319
trying to get the movie roswell launched

3886
02:29:37,429 --> 02:29:34,319
so we're talking about the

3887
02:29:40,389 --> 02:29:37,439
it was around 1990 91 we were writing

3888
02:29:44,150 --> 02:29:40,399
the books that came out in 92 and 93.

3889
02:29:46,550 --> 02:29:44,160
we had a contract to write six star wars

3890
02:29:49,030 --> 02:29:46,560
stories that followed

3891
02:29:51,910 --> 02:29:49,040
a return of the jedi and they were very

3892
02:29:53,830 --> 02:29:51,920
successful i mean they sold

3893
02:29:56,790 --> 02:29:53,840
millions of copies

3894
02:29:59,270 --> 02:29:56,800
and they were also published in japanese

3895
02:30:01,030 --> 02:29:59,280
and french and hebrew

3896
02:30:03,270 --> 02:30:01,040
and i think norwegian

3897
02:30:05,750 --> 02:30:03,280
and we had a wonderful time with it we

3898
02:30:07,270 --> 02:30:05,760
we were up at industrial light and magic

3899
02:30:09,910 --> 02:30:07,280
there were artists there who drew the

3900
02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:09,920
pictures for these books so if you look

3901
02:30:13,270 --> 02:30:10,960
for them

3902
02:30:14,630 --> 02:30:13,280
you're looking for the glove of darth

3903
02:30:16,830 --> 02:30:14,640
vader

3904
02:30:19,830 --> 02:30:16,840
the lost city of the

3905
02:30:21,510 --> 02:30:19,840
jedi zorba the hutt's revenge now people

3906
02:30:24,469 --> 02:30:21,520
say how could it be zorba it was jabba

3907
02:30:27,190 --> 02:30:24,479
the hut no no we created the father

3908
02:30:28,230 --> 02:30:27,200
of jabba the hutt zorba the hud

3909
02:30:30,790 --> 02:30:28,240
and then

3910
02:30:33,429 --> 02:30:30,800
we did mission from mount yoda queen of

3911
02:30:36,070 --> 02:30:33,439
the empire and we finished it up with

3912
02:30:38,070 --> 02:30:36,080
prophets of the dark side so it was a

3913
02:30:39,670 --> 02:30:38,080
great interlude in my life and it was

3914
02:30:42,070 --> 02:30:39,680
all coming out while we were filming

3915
02:30:43,750 --> 02:30:42,080
roswell you can imagine you know you can

3916
02:30:46,950 --> 02:30:43,760
imagine the great feeling that was

3917
02:30:48,710 --> 02:30:46,960
around that that period of time well

3918
02:30:51,190 --> 02:30:48,720
before those books

3919
02:30:54,550 --> 02:30:51,200
1985

3920
02:30:57,270 --> 02:30:54,560
i was at marvel productions i had been

3921
02:30:59,590 --> 02:30:57,280
hired as the production coordinator

3922
02:31:00,870 --> 02:30:59,600
for the original transformers cartoon

3923
02:31:02,870 --> 02:31:00,880
series

3924
02:31:04,309 --> 02:31:02,880
stan lee was there then

3925
02:31:05,349 --> 02:31:04,319
they were doing it and lee is always

3926
02:31:07,349 --> 02:31:05,359
around

3927
02:31:08,309 --> 02:31:07,359
he's always you know with marvel he's

3928
02:31:09,190 --> 02:31:08,319
there

3929
02:31:12,230 --> 02:31:09,200
and

3930
02:31:14,550 --> 02:31:12,240
i was production coordinator for 79

3931
02:31:17,429 --> 02:31:14,560
episodes of the transformers i've got a

3932
02:31:19,110 --> 02:31:17,439
big credit on the tv screen and

3933
02:31:21,590 --> 02:31:19,120
i wrote four of them

3934
02:31:23,670 --> 02:31:21,600
and i still get you know stuff over

3935
02:31:25,349 --> 02:31:23,680
facebook and people sending me emails

3936
02:31:27,510 --> 02:31:25,359
still talking about those

3937
02:31:28,870 --> 02:31:27,520
transformer episodes back then and

3938
02:31:31,750 --> 02:31:28,880
asking me questions that i can't

3939
02:31:34,070 --> 02:31:31,760
remember the answers to but i guess

3940
02:31:36,309 --> 02:31:34,080
i got to live a sort of storybook

3941
02:31:37,670 --> 02:31:36,319
existence you know it was very very

3942
02:31:40,150 --> 02:31:37,680
fortunate coming out of the american

3943
02:31:43,030 --> 02:31:40,160
film institute and meeting some of the

3944
02:31:45,429 --> 02:31:43,040
right people i started with paul connor

3945
02:31:47,830 --> 02:31:45,439
great agent from europe the paul connor

3946
02:31:50,309 --> 02:31:47,840
agency i worked five years

3947
02:31:52,950 --> 02:31:50,319
my job i read every screenplay submitted

3948
02:31:54,710 --> 02:31:52,960
for charles bronson you remember charles

3949
02:31:56,550 --> 02:31:54,720
bronson right

3950
02:31:59,190 --> 02:31:56,560
i remember that series

3951
02:32:00,710 --> 02:31:59,200
he did where he plays the vigilante yep

3952
02:32:03,990 --> 02:32:00,720
death wish

3953
02:32:06,230 --> 02:32:04,000
you're a screenplay uh reviewer huh i

3954
02:32:08,150 --> 02:32:06,240
got two screenplays

3955
02:32:10,389 --> 02:32:08,160
well

3956
02:32:12,469 --> 02:32:10,399
one of them won the uh runner up in the

3957
02:32:13,910 --> 02:32:12,479
southwest green riders guild contest all

3958
02:32:16,469 --> 02:32:13,920
right well we're not on the air we'll

3959
02:32:18,790 --> 02:32:16,479
talk okay okay

3960
02:32:21,429 --> 02:32:18,800
so anyway the good old days

3961
02:32:23,270 --> 02:32:21,439
i was the meat man for john houston you

3962
02:32:25,110 --> 02:32:23,280
might not know what a meat man is but

3963
02:32:28,070 --> 02:32:25,120
great director john houston lived in

3964
02:32:30,389 --> 02:32:28,080
those days in the 70s back in puerto

3965
02:32:32,389 --> 02:32:30,399
vallarta mexico and you have to assure

3966
02:32:34,550 --> 02:32:32,399
us here that doing that you weren't just

3967
02:32:36,790 --> 02:32:34,560
cutting up his stakes no i was

3968
02:32:39,190 --> 02:32:36,800
delivering mistakes from america he

3969
02:32:41,110 --> 02:32:39,200
didn't want mistakes from mexico so they

3970
02:32:43,510 --> 02:32:41,120
needed to be smuggled in

3971
02:32:45,270 --> 02:32:43,520
so his agent arranged for me to

3972
02:32:47,590 --> 02:32:45,280
accompany the stakes

3973
02:32:49,830 --> 02:32:47,600
and to talk to jose when i got into

3974
02:32:53,349 --> 02:32:49,840
customs so i wouldn't be arrested do you

3975
02:32:54,150 --> 02:32:53,359
have to send jose a little gift perhaps

3976
02:32:55,830 --> 02:32:54,160
for

3977
02:32:57,750 --> 02:32:55,840
him to allow this

3978
02:33:00,469 --> 02:32:57,760
a little back sheesh you know they were

3979
02:33:02,309 --> 02:33:00,479
yeah a little tip under the table

3980
02:33:05,110 --> 02:33:02,319
uh he was well taken care of by mr

3981
02:33:07,510 --> 02:33:05,120
houston who was a god in that town of oh

3982
02:33:10,230 --> 02:33:07,520
yeah quarterback there's a great statue

3983
02:33:14,150 --> 02:33:10,240
of john huston down there the reason

3984
02:33:17,270 --> 02:33:14,160
he made that film with elizabeth taylor

3985
02:33:19,030 --> 02:33:17,280
knight of the iguana he did that in i

3986
02:33:21,349 --> 02:33:19,040
think filmed most of it in mismaloyo

3987
02:33:23,270 --> 02:33:21,359
which is the neighboring town to

3988
02:33:25,110 --> 02:33:23,280
puerto vallarta but john houston put

3989
02:33:26,630 --> 02:33:25,120
puerto vallarta on the map

3990
02:33:29,110 --> 02:33:26,640
through making that movie there and then

3991
02:33:31,270 --> 02:33:29,120
he lived there for so many years so

3992
02:33:34,870 --> 02:33:31,280
working for the man's agent

3993
02:33:36,790 --> 02:33:34,880
as i said it was a storybook existence

3994
02:33:40,070 --> 02:33:36,800
it's like working for god

3995
02:33:41,510 --> 02:33:40,080
it was it was well it was but uh in

3996
02:33:43,270 --> 02:33:41,520
those days

3997
02:33:45,349 --> 02:33:43,280
i was frustrated because i wasn't

3998
02:33:47,750 --> 02:33:45,359
getting to make my own movies you know i

3999
02:33:49,030 --> 02:33:47,760
was working for an agent then as i said

4000
02:33:51,590 --> 02:33:49,040
i worked on

4001
02:33:53,830 --> 02:33:51,600
lie detector for effly bailey and then

4002
02:33:56,550 --> 02:33:53,840
came the transformers but you know it

4003
02:33:59,030 --> 02:33:56,560
wasn't me being a filmmaker that didn't

4004
02:34:00,870 --> 02:33:59,040
happen until well even with roswell i

4005
02:34:02,550 --> 02:34:00,880
was the executive producer and co-writer

4006
02:34:03,590 --> 02:34:02,560
i was not the director

4007
02:34:06,230 --> 02:34:03,600
it was

4008
02:34:08,389 --> 02:34:06,240
after roswell the first one i directed

4009
02:34:10,469 --> 02:34:08,399
was the biography of timothy leary the

4010
02:34:11,750 --> 02:34:10,479
lsd guru and that's called timothy

4011
02:34:13,429 --> 02:34:11,760
leary's dead

4012
02:34:16,230 --> 02:34:13,439
it's interesting here about timothy

4013
02:34:18,630 --> 02:34:16,240
leary my first wife geneva and i met up

4014
02:34:19,510 --> 02:34:18,640
with a psychiatrist in brooklyn who

4015
02:34:21,349 --> 02:34:19,520
worked

4016
02:34:23,030 --> 02:34:21,359
with timothy leary and he gave us some

4017
02:34:25,990 --> 02:34:23,040
of the select

4018
02:34:26,870 --> 02:34:26,000
substances shall we say you had a free

4019
02:34:29,110 --> 02:34:26,880
sample

4020
02:34:31,030 --> 02:34:29,120
it sure did sure did can you say the

4021
02:34:32,630 --> 02:34:31,040
name of the psychiatrist

4022
02:34:35,590 --> 02:34:32,640
no because i can't remember this is

4023
02:34:37,990 --> 02:34:35,600
something like 45 years ago okay

4024
02:34:40,550 --> 02:34:38,000
well one of my early experiences

4025
02:34:41,990 --> 02:34:40,560
when i was in college as a psychology

4026
02:34:44,670 --> 02:34:42,000
student at princeton

4027
02:34:47,830 --> 02:34:44,680
i did part-time work at the new jersey

4028
02:34:53,349 --> 02:34:47,840
neuropsychiatric institute which was run

4029
02:34:58,950 --> 02:34:55,270
yes the famous psychiatrist from

4030
02:35:01,429 --> 02:34:58,960
saskatchewan canada who gave mescaline

4031
02:35:04,389 --> 02:35:01,439
to aldous huxley which resulted in the

4032
02:35:05,990 --> 02:35:04,399
famous book the doors of perception

4033
02:35:08,469 --> 02:35:06,000
sure and you know you also gathered

4034
02:35:10,710 --> 02:35:08,479
alcoholics with one dose

4035
02:35:12,469 --> 02:35:10,720
you know the the the rock group the

4036
02:35:14,309 --> 02:35:12,479
doors you know what that name comes from

4037
02:35:16,630 --> 02:35:14,319
it comes from all the success the doors

4038
02:35:18,870 --> 02:35:16,640
of perception mescaline mescaline

4039
02:35:20,230 --> 02:35:18,880
psilocybin lsd they were experimenting

4040
02:35:23,670 --> 02:35:20,240
with all of that then those were the

4041
02:35:26,150 --> 02:35:23,680
days of timothy leary and millbrook and

4042
02:35:28,790 --> 02:35:26,160
i found myself in the middle of that too

4043
02:35:31,030 --> 02:35:28,800
as a psychology student from princeton

4044
02:35:33,670 --> 02:35:31,040
not knowing in those days

4045
02:35:36,150 --> 02:35:33,680
that i would not only meet timothy leary

4046
02:35:38,870 --> 02:35:36,160
but that in the year that he died i

4047
02:35:40,309 --> 02:35:38,880
would he'd make a film about it yeah

4048
02:35:42,870 --> 02:35:40,319
i was to make his biography i was

4049
02:35:45,510 --> 02:35:42,880
contacted by his publisher

4050
02:35:47,670 --> 02:35:45,520
sebastian or folly in berkeley

4051
02:35:51,110 --> 02:35:47,680
who called me he'd met me at a book

4052
02:35:52,070 --> 02:35:51,120
convention and he he said uh timothy is

4053
02:35:54,070 --> 02:35:52,080
dying

4054
02:35:55,349 --> 02:35:54,080
he has prostate cancer we don't know how

4055
02:35:57,510 --> 02:35:55,359
long he has

4056
02:35:59,190 --> 02:35:57,520
there hasn't really been a documentary

4057
02:36:01,590 --> 02:35:59,200
about him

4058
02:36:03,990 --> 02:36:01,600
he said paul um

4059
02:36:05,190 --> 02:36:04,000
if if anybody's going to do it it needs

4060
02:36:07,429 --> 02:36:05,200
to be done

4061
02:36:10,070 --> 02:36:07,439
now he said i'm happy to give tim a call

4062
02:36:10,870 --> 02:36:10,080
and tell him i recommend you

4063
02:36:13,349 --> 02:36:10,880
and

4064
02:36:16,230 --> 02:36:13,359
so soon i was meeting with timothy leary

4065
02:36:18,070 --> 02:36:16,240
and when i said dr leary i can't

4066
02:36:20,389 --> 02:36:18,080
remember if i called him timothy or dr

4067
02:36:23,590 --> 02:36:20,399
leary it's probably dr leary

4068
02:36:25,990 --> 02:36:23,600
i worked with dr humphrey osmond he's

4069
02:36:27,830 --> 02:36:26,000
his face lit up and suddenly wow that

4070
02:36:28,710 --> 02:36:27,840
was the connection he sure knew who that

4071
02:36:33,750 --> 02:36:28,720
was

4072
02:36:37,190 --> 02:36:33,760
make that movie and i found the backing

4073
02:36:40,630 --> 02:36:37,200
to make it very quickly the producer who

4074
02:36:43,030 --> 02:36:40,640
provided most of the resources for that

4075
02:36:45,429 --> 02:36:43,040
is my partner todd mills

4076
02:36:46,710 --> 02:36:45,439
todd was thrilled to get involved in the

4077
02:36:49,030 --> 02:36:46,720
project and

4078
02:36:51,510 --> 02:36:49,040
you know we had about six days of

4079
02:36:53,190 --> 02:36:51,520
interviews with timothy and we provided

4080
02:36:55,349 --> 02:36:53,200
the costumes for him to wear he didn't

4081
02:36:57,910 --> 02:36:55,359
have a great wardrobe at that time but i

4082
02:36:59,349 --> 02:36:57,920
remember i think my wife was still wait

4083
02:37:01,510 --> 02:36:59,359
a minute she had been at columbia

4084
02:37:02,630 --> 02:37:01,520
pictures so i i went to columbia

4085
02:37:05,110 --> 02:37:02,640
pictures

4086
02:37:07,190 --> 02:37:05,120
so i got his wardrobe for the movie from

4087
02:37:08,550 --> 02:37:07,200
columbia pictures and he looked great in

4088
02:37:09,349 --> 02:37:08,560
the movie we had all kinds of clothes

4089
02:37:11,830 --> 02:37:09,359
for him

4090
02:37:13,830 --> 02:37:11,840
that's great okay i know you got a lot

4091
02:37:15,830 --> 02:37:13,840
of stuff so paul davids please tell our

4092
02:37:18,550 --> 02:37:15,840
listeners where we can look up your

4093
02:37:20,710 --> 02:37:18,560
stuff find out more of what you do okay

4094
02:37:24,070 --> 02:37:20,720
i send you all to

4095
02:37:28,630 --> 02:37:25,510
to find out

4096
02:37:30,389 --> 02:37:28,640
everything you want to know you know the

4097
02:37:33,590 --> 02:37:30,399
background about the farri ackermann

4098
02:37:35,510 --> 02:37:33,600
case and at amazon.com you'll find all

4099
02:37:36,870 --> 02:37:35,520
of my projects and films there in one

4100
02:37:39,030 --> 02:37:36,880
form or another i mean even the

4101
02:37:40,469 --> 02:37:39,040
transformers cartoons

4102
02:37:42,550 --> 02:37:40,479
you'll certainly find the life after

4103
02:37:43,990 --> 02:37:42,560
death project you'll find the book an

4104
02:37:45,270 --> 02:37:44,000
atheist in heaven

4105
02:37:47,990 --> 02:37:45,280
which you can either get as this

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you'll find all about that film it's one

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of my films i'm just the most proud of

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okay and my website

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dot com see my paintings and you'll see

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thanks for joining us on the power cast

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gene thank you for giving me this

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